What happened to good music?

[- EvoLutioN -]

Seriously, it seems like in past there were so many good artists?
What happened? I am speaking about all genres of music, but these are some of the artist that I think are some of the best ever, and I don't think any new artists have come close to: The Doors, Hendrix, Led Zepplin, Santana, Pink Floyd, Bob Marley, The Beatles, James Brown, Miles Davis & all the other Jazz greats etc.(there's many others but you can see where I'm going) No one nowadays stands out like these type of artists. I rarely hear new music that just blows me away, an artist/group that is really groundbreaking that makes completely timeless music. I don't know if I'm just getting old but I think most genres have gone to shit, everything from Hip Hop to Punk, to Rock etc. It is just so weak and watered down, compared to what used to be. The old guys that are still around put all the new artists to shame. I've seen James Brown recently and he is still the shit. It has seriously been like over 20 years since someone new came out and just fucked my head up with some amazing music.(Hip Hop aside) It is unfortunate and I really hope things change for music in the future, you would think with a history of such great musicians for new artists to study & be inspired by, that they would be able to make even better music......right?....oh well.

[cdirty]

alright firstschool..

[Ojay]

it may have something to do with the music industry.. .

also, we live in such a self-referential society... everything is "retro" or "throwback" or "nostalgic" or "sampled" or "interpolated" nowadays... everything from literature, to tv, to movies, to music, to art is so self-referential as far as "pop culture" (the simpsons, collage art, mixtapes, entertainment tonight, trendy magazines, the beastie boys, etc etc etc..) is concerned..

even though things seem to progress.. they're really just extensions of- and building from- the old school.

[- EvoLutioN -]

Originally posted by cdirty
alright firstschool..

Allright toy, fuck you......back to discussion.

[chepsoner]

Its just like Renaissance Art, it will never be re-created like that again. Hendrix, Davis, etc. were innovators of their time, Renaissance artists if you will. Just like there will not be another Renaissance, there will not be another age of music that was so innovative and great ...

and yes, the music industry has a hand in the situation as well

-cheps oner

[highlife]

Originally posted by Ojay revilO
it may have something to do with the music industry.. .

also, we live in such a self-referential society... everything is "retro" or "throwback" or "nostalgic" or "sampled" or "interpolated" nowadays... everything from literature, to tv, to movies, to music, to art is so self-referential as far as "pop culture" (the simpsons, collage art, mixtapes, entertainment tonight, trendy magazines, the beastie boys, etc etc etc..) is concerned..

even though things seem to progress.. they're really just extensions of- and building from- the old school.

this is very true. especially that last part, "they're really just extensions of and building from the old school." i don't know about the rest of you but my head is deep in the shit i missed out on when i was wee one to shit from two years ago to shit FROM the renaissance and boroque eras. there is and will always be infinite music. i'm digging some brazilian rock (think axelrod-type rock) i never even heard of until yesterday and i'm always finding new artists to check out. there's no need to worry about the 'now' music. cuz a few years from now you'll be jocking it like aw yeah this brings me back to '04. it just seems kinda weird that you're asking why there isn't any timeless music today but at the same time i look up to bands like bad religion and nofx (good newschool is rise against. gotta love the fat wreck chords crew) and plenty of other artists who HAVE stood the test of time. they've been around for like 15 years and STILL putting it down! how can you tell if these 'new' bands/groups are timeless if we haven't even spent at least 5-10 years listening to their music? let them make a few more albums and then you can start to analyze their progress. it's just like a fortune500 company, you gotta look at the long run to determine strength/performance. i get a kick out of finding unpopular/rare/unusual/dope fucking music regardless of how 'timeless' the rest of the world views it, period.

good topic BTW.

[Jay]

I think the music industry has a big role in determining what is popular, and who gets exposure, but the primary responsibility to foster good artists lies with the consumers. There are innovative bands right now, it's just a matter of sifting through them. No, were're no where near the creative fecundity of the 60's and early 70's (musically or cinematically), but there's still good art.

I think a revolution will come along, where traditions will again be thrown out the window, and the way businesses handle art will be seriously altered. People are going to stand up at some point and say all these mediocre pop novels, shitty movies, and shitty music, are to be no more. These are slow movements, but I believe they will happen.

Big companies argue that they provide what the public wants. But the fact the public demands mediocrity is only because they have been conditioned to accept it. Supply has created demand, in regard to all forms of commercial media. People have only had a limited number of choices, so they know nothing else. With the popularity of the internet, I think people are slowly coming around to realizing that there are other things out there: other movies, other music, other literature, other poetry, other television (news and entertainment).

Give it another 5 years--I think things will start to change significantly.

[AtomILL]

theres plenty of good new music out its just all being released independently,..not just hiphop music either

[- EvoLutioN -]

"Big companies argue that they provide what the public wants. But the fact the public demands mediocrity is only because they have been conditioned to accept it. Supply has created demand, in regard to all forms of commercial media. People have only had a limites number of choices, so they know nothing else."

very true.

[luke_warm]

i think good music is something that is reflected on in retrospect.
no one knew how dope bob marley was until he died, or nirvana
even. i dont agree with the idea that art is worth anything till
the artist is dead(, thanks to the living legends).

and in that respect, fuck man living legends, good music ...
[editor's note: i don't know what im saying on the line above ha.]
no1 is making music also becuz ov what you cats are saying,
more or less, there is no (and never was) freedom of expression,
it takes innovators to transcend preconceptions -which is rarely
welcomed. consequentially we are left with labels, instead,
telling artists to sound 25% Good Sharollete 25% Bling 182
and 50% backstreet boys, which i'm sure has already been
said in so many other words.

[cdirty]

Originally posted by - EvoLutioN -
Allright toy, fuck you......back to discussion.


damn take it easy man that was a joke!

Just sayin that if you look to that music that has been around for 20+ years as the only good music you are wrong. People arent makin that style anymore, the Beatles and others were reinventing music at the time makin shit that noone had ever heard before. How do you know that 20+ years from now people wont look back and see some of todays better artist in the same light? There is new styles out today that IMO are as good as some of the shit you listed, partly because its what kind of music im into, and partly because of the fact that all the bands you were talking about, in my opinion i am over with cause they have been played out for so long now.

[jul]

there is plenty of timeless music being made just not as many people are hearing it, they choose to listen to meaningless crap that has a catchy hook. i can think of many artists that have come out that i rate up there as timeless, but only me and about 100 other people have heard of em, cause they lack mainstream appeal.

[young]

get to work.http://www.crowncityrockers.com/gallery/images/diggin%20in%20the%20crates.jpg

[TheScribe]

how can you put james brown and the doors in the same sentence. thats just wrong

[aueu]

Originally posted by Jay

I think a revolution will come along,



me too, i just hope its soon


at least we are doing our part by listnening to and purchasing quality music.

[sagefrakrobatik]

fuk dat i aint wit dat. no but on the real the music is having an opposite effect on me. To me there is too much good music for example look at underground hip hop. Its just one big huge microcosm of mini labels. living legends, non prophets anticon def jux good night music project blowed freestyle fellowship etc. i mean im trying to branch out on other types of music but everytime i do i end up getting another hip hop cd. i dont know my best suggestion is to do ur reaserch. Take for example rap when i want to invest in a hip hop artist i not only check out what the critics have to say but i go to ohhla.com to actually read their lyrics and see if im actually intrested in the content.

[Ojay]

Originally posted by TheScribe
how can you put james brown and the doors in the same sentence. thats just wrong

I know huh... the doors suck!

:p

[LAprevail]

Originally posted by cdirty
alright firstschool..


Yea, homeboy's just trying to have some tite conversation, no need for that shit dirty.

[Eyeovthastorm]

I can Imagine talking to my child 10-20 years from now about the "good ol' days", recalling the Cypress Hill Smoke Out like it was Woodstock. I think thats how it will be several years down the road. Thats if George W. Bush gets his head out his ass and doesn't call the whole nation (women and children) to war. Selfish bastard!