the 2004 overrated list...

[twisted_harmonix]

the following are certified O.R.
feel free to add to the list (or talk shit about mine, which will inevitably happen).

kanye west - above average beats, but sub-par lyrics. many will disagree, but i really don't see him as a skilled lyricist. in fact, mediocre would be the most appropriate description of his flows. he's not bringin anything new to the table and lacks thought and creativity in his rhymes. not bad, but nothin special. stick to beat makin, kanye... leave the mics for the big boys. without a doubt, O.R.

jay-z - better than biggie? keep dreamin. this guys ego is bigger than his lips. he wants to be "number one on everybodies list" but that aint gonna happen. its good he gave up when he did. his final album proved that he's good, but not great and aint gonna get any better. he says he'd rhyme like talib if it made money? give me a fuckin break man... you couldn't rap with the thought, intensity, and natural skill that kweli does if you made another seven albums. he's his own #1 fan and as much as he (and all the bandwagoners) thinks he's the best, he's not. reasonable doubt was tight, black album is aight, but definitely O.R.

aesop rock - amongst the underground, aes rock has blown up, but i just dont see it. labor days was tight, and his earlier shit was dope, but he's just tryin too hard now. the beats he makes don't do it for me, and his rhymes have become more concerned with abstractness than they are with matching the beat, and having the flow that his old rhymes did. bazooka tooth seems kinda experimental, and i'm not feelin it. a lotta people are though, so i gotta give it the O.R.

murs - i can see why he of all legends is blowing up, but i think others deserve it more and are more talented. not to say that murs isn't, but he just doesn't have the same kind of creativity as, say, eligh or psc, for example. i'd have to say that murs resembles mainstream more than the other legends, thats why he's on the upper. but his arrogance and straightforward styles tend to stand out more than his lyrical prowess. tracks like murs rules the world, way tight, and "and this is for" (off the new one with 9th) are all dope tracks but his cockyness takes over the music and leaves the listener with absolutely nothing meaningful to hear. but hey thats what people like, and thats why its O.R.

50 cent - i shouldn't even include this guy on the list cuz it really goes without sayin that he's the epitomy of overrated. the guy comes out on the hottest label, claiming to have been shot nine times, and with people comparing him to pac, what do you expect? hopefully bullet number 10 will do what its supposed to (but then his death will probably make him become even more O.R.)

twista - yeah this guy was tight when i first heard him like 10 years ago. now the industry discovers him and they go crazy for the dude. yeah he's a quick rhymer, and it sometimes dope, but 40 does it better. and twista can't decide if he's wants to flow smooth or thugged out. he bounces back and forth, and the rough tracks i'm not feelin. quick delivery but thats about it... not much groundbreaking about him other than that. was pretty good, still is okay, but he's blowin up and now he's O.R.

jadakiss - seriously, this guy can flow like no other when he's on top of his game. unfortunately that only happens about once every 20 verses. unlike aes rock who tries too hard, jada doesn't try hard enough. its like he takes a vacation for 363 days outta the year and then decides he needs to refill the bank acount so he spends a day on a track and one more day on 19 other tracks. doesn't seem like he puts much thought into the majority of his lyrics, but fools still say how fuckin dope he is... i aint havin that half-assed bullshit, and i'm surprised that he's become so damn O.R.

*note: don't get me wrong - these emcees are good, if not great, but often they get way more praise and respect than they deserve, while more talented lyricists are left in the background.
also - this list doesn't include the rappers with no talent whatsoever that are blindly followed by the masses (i.e. nelly, p diddy, lil jon, fabulous, etc. etc. etc.). they don't deserve my time.

[wicktron]

so who is on your all-star list if this is your overrated list? you seem to be quick to jump on that hater shit.

your comment about kanye not bringing anything new to the table, if that was true man... nobody should be rapping right now except for the pioneers. you're crazy. name a rapper in the past 5 years that's brought anything "new" to the game. you want to go back to the last time there was a real evolution in rap? go back to the early 90's -- freestyle fellowship/project blowed.

your comment about kweli on jay-z's blurb... man, kanye killed kweli on the "get em high" track. im not knockin kweli, but kanye and jay-z are capable rappers. and yes, i do regard jay-z is one of the best ever. lyrics (when he wants to), flow, wordplay, the dude's got it all. he can rap fast or rap slow, it dont matter to him. he can make any pace song for play in any situation.

50 cent, jadakiss -- i agree with you there.

aes rock, murs, twista -- debatable.

it seems to me that youre against any rapper who has any sort of braggadocio or confidence (if you deem that as being egotistical--alright). but i dont see anything wrong with that. if a dude rides his own dick, thats him, but if he still raps tight, that shit shouldnt matter.

[KBW]

Aesop Rock
Prefuse 73(His production on Diverses album was pretty tight though.)
Sage Francis
EL-P
Little Brother

[dooz]

kayne- i havent heard enough but im feelin a lot of his beats but hate others.

jayz - ive never liked him...comparing him to anyone like biggie or talib is ridiculous. overrated by the mainstream but i think most people know where he is lyricially...but he should be on an OR list

aesop rock - float and labor days (plus all the earlier vinyl and shit) were dope and showed much promise. im actually feelin what u said on this one. i absolutely hate his production on any song and on bazooka tooth im feelin like 2 verses total..new shits overrated

murs - blowin up and shit but i think he gets better with every release. dont get me wrong i love the old shit but his flow and lyrics just get better and better(i havent heard ANY of 9th wonders shit tho) not just other legends deserve to blow up but they all do...not over-rated i dont think

twistas adrenline rush is fuckin good...didnt even know the mainstream was jockin...not overrated by me

50 and jada...of course overrated

id like to add atmosphere...nothin good since lucy....

[dooz]

^lb is dope...open ur eyes

[savagehenry]

murs is underrated and underappreciated. he's one of the most clever rhymers ever, one of the most original with his words. Sage Francis is a lyrical genius.

i think I've only heard one Jada verse in my life, and it was mediocre at best.

[Attaphek]

I dont care about ther others you mentioned but Murs and Aesop Rock arent overrated, personally I like theit earlier stuff more but they still put out music which is worth the money.

[dooz]

not aesop rock^ imo

[twisted_harmonix]

Originally posted by wicktron
so who is on your all-star list if this is your overrated list? aight, lets start with the basics (kinda chronologically)... public enemy, beastie boys, nwa, geto boys, krs, ll cool j, the nonce, pharcyde, souls of mischief, pep love, del, tribe, cypress hill, outkast, 2pac, biggie, e-40, digital underground, gang starr, big pun, wu tang, nas, slick rick, redman, talib, mos def, roots, wyclef, lauryn, little brother, blackalicious, akrobatik, atmosphere, eligh, psc, grouch, anacron, voice watson, tame one, lmno, high & mighty, abstract rude, encore, ugly duckling, eyedea, brother ali, immortal technique, lyrics born, basik, c rays walz, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on.

[twisted_harmonix]

Originally posted by wicktron
name a rapper in the past 5 years that's brought anything "new" to the game. outkast, rahzel, jean grae, pigeon john, atmosphere, zion i, anacron, lyrics born, pep love, just to name a few.

[wicktron]

Originally posted by twisted_harmonix
outkast, rahzel, jean grae, pigeon john, atmosphere, zion i, anacron, lyrics born, pep love, just to name a few.

they haven't brought anything new. they do what they do VERY well, but as far as bringing something new to the game, it hasn't happened. pigeon john go that sing-songy rap stuff, that stuff was already done by the freestyle fellowship. pep love is a very dope rapper, but what's he brought that's new? jean grae is probably the best woman mc, but as far as something new-- nope. outkast probably paved the way for putting the dirty south on the map, ill give you that. anacron and lyrics born -- i dont see it at all. they're just more rappers to me, very dope, but nothing new.

[wicktron]

my overrated:

mf doom -- im not feelin his production, i think he's got a lazy flow, and the whole mask thing is a gimmick.

souls of mischief -- besides 93 til, nothing theyve come out with has been solid. theyve been outshined by del, cas, pep love on both hiero albums.

visionaries (minus 2mex) -- 2 good tracks on each album, the rest are garbage (imo). they dont really form a cohesive group. individually, theyre alright, but together, their styles dont mesh. 2mex is superior to all of them by light years.

[Supreme1]

word on that mf doom shit, everyones feelin him but yo his production cds (herbs and special blends) are straight booty to me cept maybe 5 beats outta the 30 or so he recycles non stop id rather here him rap anyday.

[dooz]

mf is ill....and outkast only gets props as puttin the dirty south on the map? they are so much better than the stereotypical dirty south rapper

and 93 til is enough for souls to be on my alltime greats....the title track just might be the greatest hiphop song ever recorded...they flow with each other seamlessly.

visionaries..im not feelin em too much

so wick..who has brought somethin new in the last five years?

[BTS6]

Is Andre Nickatina white or black?

[twisted_harmonix]

Originally posted by BTS6
Is Andre Nickatina white or black? is this a joke? he's black.

[tgone]

Originally posted by twisted_harmonix
is this a joke? he's black.

http://www.tarwater.net/media/images/whatever.jpg

[twisted_harmonix]

Originally posted by wicktron
they haven't brought anything new. they do what they do VERY well, but as far as bringing something new to the game, it hasn't happened. pigeon john go that sing-songy rap stuff, that stuff was already done by the freestyle fellowship. pep love is a very dope rapper, but what's he brought that's new? jean grae is probably the best woman mc, but as far as something new-- nope. outkast probably paved the way for putting the dirty south on the map, ill give you that. anacron and lyrics born -- i dont see it at all. they're just more rappers to me, very dope, but nothing new. no actually they've all brought new styles to the game that are unique and have advanced hip hop in a positive direction. i don't see anything new or groundbreaking in kanye's lyrical styles. but i definitely agree with you on mf doom -- i don't see why so many fools are on his nuts. also tgone, he's overrated, what a bitch that guy is.

[BTS6]

never heard of Andre Nickatina but I had heard of Dre Dog...damn aliases.

[Ojay]

i think the nonce is/was overrated.. i mean.. they sounded fresh and the album was clean.. but they really weren't all that. good stuff to hear in a mix but come on.. they were no doper than the b.u.m.s. who imo, actually had better lyrics.

kanye's overrated by the "mainstream" fans and underrated by the "underground" fans all at the same time. same thing can be said of jay-z.

[S...]

Underrated

Angry Naked Pat
The 00 Agents
Ill Mitch
Substance Level High ( i would be pushing it to consider my self an artist of the same caliber as the aformentioned superstars above)

Overrated

Lil Jon
YingYang
Both Sean Paul's
0.50
Da Band

[evs]

Originally posted by wicktron
anacron and lyrics born -- i dont see it at all. they're just more rappers to me, very dope, but nothing new.

i'll be the first t oadmit that i don't care for lb's solo album.....however, the stuff Solesides did in the early nineties did break new ground in my opinion...so while the stuff they're doing now may not be all that exciting, you should give credit where it's due for their earlier stuff....i mean c'mon, the Latryx album...?

and onto another reply, as far as The Nonce being overrated....i don't remember anyone ever giving them real hefty props outside of Mixtapes (which is just one of those songs that always gets played out to death)...i mean when you talk about LA hip hop they're bound to be mentioned....personally i think the stuff they did after World Ultimate was even better....they definately got better lyrically after the fact...Sach's music just keeps getting better....too bad Yusef never got to release his stuff before he died...rest in peace....they were early kings of the lo-fi......

as far as Doom goes, it's more about his voice and delivery than anything else.....and although his beats may not suit everyone's taste (even if you think it sucks) he honestly did something semi-new with it....i'm sure there were probably hundreds of kids who made beats in their bedrooms that sounded like Doom's (or even better), but he came out with a style of looping that brought it back to the early days of rap when beatmakers just looped up a huge chunk and put a simple drum break under it......to me that is what is so genius about it all.....here's this guy from the late 80's early 90's giving us a flashback in 200? while everyone is trying to do the 'new' thing....and while most will call it wack that him and madlib and jay dee's stuff aren't always on beat, it's that kind of artistic nature that drives me everyday......carelessness or bravado...what have it, he's brought something different to the table....my two cents

p.s. i am a bit botheredthough baout how he's gone to different companies and released handfuls of different versions/volumes of his special herbs cds...that sucks for fans.....but then again it's about time that he gets his dues......just about 10 years late and missing his brother...

[UG Fiend]

Originally posted by evs
i'll be the first t oadmit that i don't care for lb's solo album.....however, the stuff Solesides did in the early nineties did break new ground in my opinion...so while the stuff they're doing now may not be all that exciting, you should give credit where it's due for their earlier stuff....i mean c'mon, the Latryx album...?

and onto another reply, as far as The Nonce being overrated....i don't remember anyone ever giving them real hefty props outside of Mixtapes (which is just one of those songs that always gets played out to death)...i mean when you talk about LA hip hop they're bound to be mentioned....personally i think the stuff they did after World Ultimate was even better....they definately got better lyrically after the fact...Sach's music just keeps getting better....too bad Yusef never got to release his stuff before he died...rest in peace....they were early kings of the lo-fi......

as far as Doom goes, it's more about his voice and delivery than anything else.....and although his beats may not suit everyone's taste (even if you think it sucks) he honestly did something semi-new with it....i'm sure there were probably hundreds of kids who made beats in their bedrooms that sounded like Doom's (or even better), but he came out with a style of looping that brought it back to the early days of rap when beatmakers just looped up a huge chunk and put a simple drum break under it......to me that is what is so genius about it all.....here's this guy from the late 80's early 90's giving us a flashback in 200? while everyone is trying to do the 'new' thing....and while most will call it wack that him and madlib and jay dee's stuff aren't always on beat, it's that kind of artistic nature that drives me everyday......carelessness or bravado...what have it, he's brought something different to the table....my two cents

p.s. i am a bit botheredthough baout how he's gone to different companies and released handfuls of different versions/volumes of his special herbs cds...that sucks for fans.....but then again it's about time that he gets his dues......just about 10 years late and missing his brother... Best post of the thread; couldn't agree more. On Solesides, Nonce, MF Doom, direct hits on all.

[Ojay]

Originally posted by evs

and onto another reply, as far as The Nonce being overrated....i don't remember anyone ever giving them real hefty props outside of Mixtapes (which is just one of those songs that always gets played out to death)...i mean when you talk about LA hip hop they're bound to be mentioned....personally i think the stuff they did after World Ultimate was even better....they definately got better lyrically after the fact...Sach's music just keeps getting better....too bad Yusef never got to release his stuff before he died...rest in peace....they were early kings of the lo-fi......



i honestly haven't followed any of sach's solo stuff. i just said that based on how the nonce and world ultimate is on so many internet top ten lists .. or at least, it seems that way to me. i like them.. i just never thought they were that great.

also.. i don't mind the sometimes offbeat productions... i think it kinda sounds dope. i'm pretty sure there's a lot of hiphop producers out there who couldn't keep a beat without some type of electronic aid or drum machine if their life depended on it.

[BTS6]

Da band is tight....don't front..

[the pm]

underrated
most the people you say are overrated

overrated
your fucking opinions

[UG Fiend]

Originally posted by the pm
underrated
most the people you say are overrated

overrated
your fucking opinions That about explains it.

"Does that guy have respect among his peers? He's overrated!"

[S...]

Originally posted by UG Fiend


"Does that guy have respect among his peers? He's overrated!"


Hahaha....

Would also qualify: "Is that guy making a living doing what he loves? He's overrated!"

[twisted_harmonix]

it has nothing to do with having respect among peers or doing what they love... those statements encompass pretty much every rapper out there, to some extent. i stated my opinion, i knew some whiners would get all bitchy on me cuz kanye and twista are their new favorite rappers. and no, they are not "underrated" as that genius by the name of pm seems to think. yeah, to some aes rock and murs might be underrated, but i really don't think they're the best of their respective crews, yet they get most of the attention. its just my opinion, calm down sissies. like i said, most of those emcees are dope in my opinion, but get more recognition than they deserve. if you dont agree or whatever, i really... honestly... truly... dont give a fuck.

[wicktron]

Originally posted by dooz
so wick..who has brought somethin new in the last five years?

my comment about outkast, i said that because not a lot of people were really styling like outkast in the south. i dont think anybody outside the atl knew what the identity was down there and outkast let us know. yes, they are head and shoulders better than most of the southern rappers, but i do think that it is cool that most of them are true to that crunk, country shit.

i think folks from the project blowed continue to be the style-masters. like, 2mex with the whole alphabet rap thing (a la blackalicious, but i think 2mex did it first). and hip hop kclan/ellay khule with the match the scratch rap.

i could be wrong about both things, but when i heard that hip hop kclan joint "match the scratch," i was rollin from the crazy styles khule and pterra flex on a consistent basis. and if i am wrong about both those things, somebody enlighten me on where those styles grew from.

[UG Fiend]

Originally posted by twisted_harmonix
it has nothing to do with having respect among peers or doing what they love... those statements encompass pretty much every rapper out there, to some extent. i stated my opinion, i knew some whiners would get all bitchy on me cuz kanye and twista are their new favorite rappers. and no, they are not "underrated" as that genius by the name of pm seems to think. yeah, to some aes rock and murs might be underrated, but i really don't think they're the best of their respective crews, yet they get most of the attention. its just my opinion, calm down sissies. like i said, most of those emcees are dope in my opinion, but get more recognition than they deserve. if you dont agree or whatever, i really... honestly... truly... dont give a fuck. Dude, don't get so defensive. Can't speak for S or pm, but my commentary was in response to 'who's overrated?' threads in general. I always hesitate jumping into these threads because they are negative in nature. Why focus on the negative? It's never productive. Also, I noticed that there is a backlash after an artist gets acclaim, and it becomes "cool" and the "in-thing" to hate on such artists after the accolades start pouring in. Not just with commercial/mainstream acts, but with underground artists as well. You don't notice this?

[Ojay]

Originally posted by UG Fiend
Dude, don't get so defensive. Can't speak for S or pm, but my commentary was in response to 'who's overrated?' threads in general. I always hesitate jumping into these threads because they are negative in nature. Why focus on the negative? It's never productive. Also, I noticed that there is a backlash after an artist gets acclaim, and it becomes "cool" and the "in-thing" to hate on such artists after the accolades start pouring in. Not just with commercial/mainstream acts, but with underground artists as well. You don't notice this?

i agree wholeheartedly. i'm beginning to regret jumping in here too, but oh well.. whatever negativity's been said has been said. we're all bored.

[S...]

Originally posted by Ojay revilO
i agree wholeheartedly

[the pm]

Originally posted by Ojay revilO
i agree wholeheartedly. i'm beginning to regret jumping in here too, but oh well
Oh not me
this fool is always talking out his ass

[Ipatch]

Who the fuck said Prefuse is overrated? Streetlight wasn't even gonna stock the new Savath & Savalas, I had to special order it. That doesn't sound like "overrated" to me.

And Ojay I feel you on The Nonce... kinda. I LOVE em personally, and I strongly disagree that their lyrics aren't dope. But they have been getting a ton of love lately, to the point where people just now pickin em up will probably be a little disappointed after all the hype they hear. World Ultimate is a great album, but if they didn't know what to expect I could see it boring the shit outta people. Not to mention that their shit is real hard to find- I wouldn't even loan out my World Ultimate CD it's so rare, and their 12"s are even rarer and have GEMS on em that a lot people aren't aware of like Who Falls Apart and the Bus Stops and Mix Tapes remixes. So I think for a lot of us that have been down since then they're near and dear to our hearts, but I wouldn't expect everybody to be feelin em- mellow hip hop doesn't go over very well with far too many people.

[Ojay]

Originally posted by Ipatch
Who the fuck said Prefuse is overrated? Streetlight wasn't even gonna stock the new Savath & Savalas, I had to special order it. That doesn't sound like "overrated" to me.

And Ojay I feel you on The Nonce... kinda. I LOVE em personally, and I strongly disagree that their lyrics aren't dope. But they have been getting a ton of love lately, to the point where people just now pickin em up will probably be a little disappointed after all the hype they hear. World Ultimate is a great album, but if they didn't know what to expect I could see it boring the shit outta people. Not to mention that their shit is real hard to find- I wouldn't even loan out my World Ultimate CD it's so rare, and their 12"s are even rarer and have GEMS on em that a lot people aren't aware of like Who Falls Apart and the Bus Stops and Mix Tapes remixes. So I think for a lot of us that have been down since then they're near and dear to our hearts, but I wouldn't expect everybody to be feelin em- mellow hip hop doesn't go over very well with far too many people.

yeah i loved it too... i just don't understand what it is.. maybe i kinda do... it's because they were refreshing westcoast hiphop.. i'm just pissed because my disc is scratched beyond recognition... no reflection... no glare.. just a dull white disc on one side and the def american label on the other.

[klemson*msg*atx]

over rated: G unit, Adkins diet, the new episodes of the simpsons, reality t.v., Mtv, the radio, Brittney Spears, Low carb beers, the inter-web, the strokes, Anticon, swollen members, computers, pro tools, funk flex's show "ride", Me.

[Ipatch]

Originally posted by Ojay revilO
yeah i loved it too... i just don't understand what it is.. maybe i kinda do...

Naw I feel you... The Nonce and World Ultimate seem to be the current underground shit for fools to claim to show how down they are so I can understand you thinking it's overrated.

I actually have a clean radio promo record with about 8 tracks from World Ultimate. On The Air is really the only notable song (I fucking LOOOOVE that joint), but I still consider that one of my gems. The funniest thing is, I think I got it for a DIME from some college radio station getting rid of shit at a double feature of Night of the Living Dead and Godzilla. I also came up on their Eighty Five 12", only 300 copies pressed, for $2 at Zebra years ago. I think I have all their records, including the clear blue Mix Tapes 12"- that and the Bus Stops 12" I actually had to pay like $15 each for, but they're worth it for the remixes alone.

[twisted_harmonix]

world ultimate is a classic. you know why?... its almost 10 years later and fools are still talkin bout it like it came out yesterday. man, i remember bumpin that all the time when it came out. now almost a decade later and it still gets regular rotation.

[s_castelino]

Over-rated:

Among the "Overground":

50-Cent
Jay-Z
Jadakiss
Nas (even Illmatic, can't wait to get blasted on that one)
Master P (respect though as a business person)
LL Cool J (post "14 Shots to the Dome")
Dr Dre (post "The Chronic")
2Pac (loved his first 2 albums some of the best hip hop ever)
Notorios BIG
Eve

Among the "Underground":

MF Doom(although I can respect his rhyming on very poor beats and making them into songs)
Black Eyed Peas (not quite mainstream until their last album)
Necro
Awol One(good but not as good as some make him out to be)
Cage(and his whole crew)
Kool Keith
Swollen Members(last CD I have to say was awful)
Rasco
Slum Village(good but over-rated)

[the pm]

when montreals vote counts i will call you

lol @ ll cool j post 14 shots

[Ojay]

Originally posted by the pm

lol @ ll cool j post 14 shots

http://www.patrick.fm/starpics/ll%20cool%20j.jpg "pink cookies in a plastic bag gettin crushed by buildings"

[Attaphek]

Awol One is one of the dopest MC´s out there plus he is bringing something new to the music!!

[tgone]

MF Doom
Madlib
PUTS
Kayne
Aesop Rock
Atmosphere
El-P

And does anyone actually like Krondon and Phil Da Agony?

[Ipatch]

Originally posted by s_castelino
Over-rated:

Among the "Overground":

Nas (even Illmatic, can't wait to get blasted on that one)

Wait's over... you're a dumbass. I haven't really felt one Nas album since, but gimme a break...

And MF Doom as overrated... he's one of my favorites, but I can totally understand how his current sound can rub a lot of people the wrong way. I'll go out on a limb and guess that most of the people saying he's overrated are just now picking him up... I couldn't see any old KMD fans that know his catalog of music and life story having that opinion.

[the pm]

Originally posted by tgone
And does anyone actually like Krondon and Phil Da Agony?

Phil is cool
but i dont think he has any fans

[tgone]

Originally posted by the pm
Phil is cool
but i dont think he has any fans

i just find it funny that i see his name everywhere but his lyrics are beyond lackluster. homeboy must have a lot of friends.

[S...]

Naw, Phil Da Ag is pretty fucking funny sometimes.

I mean, he ain't Mr. SuperLyricallylyrical or anything, but my man clowns sometimes......

Plus, he's got that work ethic. You gotta respect that.

[the pm]

Originally posted by tgone
homeboy must have a lot of friends.

thats what it is
well connected

[ElighFan]

Originally posted by tgone

PUTS



lyrics i agree

but they're production is top notch
i love their style

[twisted_harmonix]

Originally posted by ElighFan
lyrics i agree

but they're production is top notch
i love their style yeah, they got that old school style to em just like the good ol days of hip hop. you can tell they rhyme solely for the love of it. they kinda got a similar style to the nonce... laid back and chill with simple beats, simple rhymes, but definitely dope.

[Sethis]

Originally posted by tgone

Madlib
PUTS
Atmosphere


Fuck That!

People Under the Stairs are fucking tight as hell!

San Francisco Knights, Time to Rock our Shit, Earth Travellers, Stay Home, Down and Out, Blowin' Wax, Acid Raindrops, Pulp Fiction, The Next Step, classics man!

These guys personify what its about man, they rhyme about their lifes, pleasures and connection to music. I mean I'm not knockin' on the analytical deeper shit, I love Atmosphere, Aesop Rock (Labor Days much moreso then Bazooka Tooth) and The Grouch, but these guys are SO tight. They love LA and even though they may not have much depth to their rhymes, they got a very nice flow.

And as for their beats... these guys have an extremely tight grip on the funk, part of the upper echelon for beatmakers. (J5 has got a good grasp on it too) Chillin, Chillin beats and crazy samples. Crate Diggers.

Atmosphere and Madlib I respectfully disagree but PUTS dont get enough exposure or fanfare to be overrated.

Originally posted by tgone

El-P


Couldn't agree more, very well respected man and he gets huge props from me for Def Jux but his rhymes aren't anything special and while some of his production (I Phantom) is pretty tight, some of the shit just hurts my ears.

[wicktron]

Originally posted by Ipatch
Wait's over... you're a dumbass. I haven't really felt one Nas album since, but gimme a break...

And MF Doom as overrated... he's one of my favorites, but I can totally understand how his current sound can rub a lot of people the wrong way. I'll go out on a limb and guess that most of the people saying he's overrated are just now picking him up... I couldn't see any old KMD fans that know his catalog of music and life story having that opinion.

i've known mf was part of kmd, and i never really liked 'em. i could care less about his life story.

[s_castelino]

In defense of my comment on Nas and "Illmatic", I'm not saying it isn't a good album...but it is way over-rated. NY State of Mind is a great song as is Halftime and there are some other good tracks.

But is wasn't as groundbreaking or as overall amazing as everyone claims it to be.

The only thing that stand out on the album over time ... I'll give it up to the production on the album. DJ Premier and Large Pro make it memorable.

Classic amazing east coast albums at that time in my humble opinion are:
Black Moon "Enta Da Stage"
EPMD "Business Never Personal
Organized Konfusion "Stress: Extinction Agenda"
Kool G Rap and DJ Polo "Live and Let Die"
Redman "What Thee Album"
OC "Time's Up"

I'll wait on the call to find out when my montreal opinion matters.

Peace

[Fullmetal]

underrated
most the people you say are overrated

overrated
your fucking opinions

That about explains it.

"Does that guy have respect among his peers? He's overrated!"

Hahaha....

Would also qualify: "Is that guy making a living doing what he loves? He's overrated!"


Oh so true. Even to this day. Some people haaaattteee.