Fuck Dumb and bass

[SubTerrorist]

that shit is wacc. It died years ago.


Listen to death metal or something, shit. I could care less if some dumb hoes are down wit that. Yall is just sell outs if you down wit that. I been clownin' ravers since day 1 homie, so fuck that shit again. Damn, its like de ja vu.

[Hihello]

what is drum n bass exactly?

[SubTerrorist]

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[LooseScrewENT]

i dont like the shit niether but sounds like you got hate in ya blood mayne....issues or somthin knowmsayin

[tgone]

Jungle (now called drum and bass) was the UK's equivalent to hip hop. The term comes from the fact that it was the most rhythmically complex style of techno. And like hip hop in America, Jungle was pioneered by blacks who were inspired by funk, soul, jazz and reggae just like early hip hop pioneers in America. Jungle producers sampled break beats (just like hip hop) but at a much faster rate. They were also heavily influenced by reggae (there's a large Jamiacan community in England). After 94 or so, producers started making Jungle without breaks. What you hear today is very different from what people were making in 94 and before (except for artists like Hype and LTJ Bukem). I'm with Orko on this..."jungle is hip hop fool".

[Filth Wagon UK]

^^^^^Err yeah, that was about what I was going to say. As for "jungle is hip hop" I couldn't agree more. Us Brits are always stealing shit reinventing and/or repackaging and selling it back to the states. Just look at the Rolling Stones and The Beatles.

[SubTerrorist]

Originally posted by tgone
Jungle (now called drum and bass) was the UK's equivalent to hip hop. The term comes from the fact that it was the most rhythmically complex style of techno. And like hip hop in America, Jungle was pioneered by blacks who were inspired by funk, soul, jazz and reggae just like early hip hop pioneers in America. Jungle producers sampled break beats (just like hip hop) but at a much faster rate. They were also heavily influenced by reggae (there's a large Jamiacan community in England). After 94 or so, producers started making Jungle without breaks. What you hear today is very different from what people were making in 94 and before (except for artists like Hype and LTJ Bukem). I'm with Orko on this..."jungle is hip hop fool".

Jungle is beat. Hip hop is beat+poetry. I feel that though, old school ish is dope as fuck. Like 80's beats, but fuck all that new trendy hype.

[Ojay]

Originally posted by SubTerrorist
Jungle is beat. Hip hop is beat+poetry. I feel that though, old school ish is dope as fuck. Like 80's beats, but fuck all that new trendy hype.

i thought rap was beat+poetry... here we go again! hahahahaha!!!! : )

[verbal kint]

Originally posted by Ojay revilO
i thought rap was beat+poetry... here we go again! hahahahaha!!!! : )
nah....... rap is senseless

[Ojay]

Originally posted by verbal_kint
nah....... rap is senseless

yeah.. i know... "great minds think alike!"

[- EvoLutioN -]

I'll have to agree with this, it is the only thing I'll openly hate on. I don't even consider it music, as far as I'm concerned it is right up there with house, trance & all that other bullshit. It sounds like a drum machine having a seizure to me. As far as what tgone said about the jungle made with breaks, I've never heard it. I'm just speaking on the only shit I've heard since I first heard about a drum & bass/jungle genre years ago and since then I have heard only noise, nothing musical or melodic about it in my eyes.

[Juggernaut]

i agree i can't stand that shit!!!! when i'm sober. but if someone started bumpin' that shit while i'm thizzn', that shit just gets me higher so i wouldn't be like "turn that fuckin' shit off" i'd just grab my vicks inhaler and feel the beat go through my body LOL. i dunno, but i don't mind hearing that shit when i'm on one, but when i'm sober i can't stand that shit.

[Elizabeth81]

I've bumped jungle and drum and bass for years and I don't go to raves (not since a few years at least, but I'd never classify myself as a "raver"). Drum and bass goes great mixed with hip-hop, reggae, or almost anything. How is it dead? Have you picked up an alternative urban culture magazine lately? Ever heard that mix with Goldie and KRS 1 called Digital? I don't know, I like all sorts of music including metal. You don't have to like drum and bass but you should be open-minded enough not to diss it.

[SubTerrorist]

Originally posted by Elizabeth81
I've bumped jungle and drum and bass for years and I don't go to raves (not since a few years at least, but I'd never classify myself as a "raver"). Drum and bass goes great mixed with hip-hop, reggae, or almost anything. How is it dead? Have you picked up an alternative urban culture magazine lately? Ever heard that mix with Goldie and KRS 1 called Digital? I don't know, I like all sorts of music including metal. You don't have to like drum and bass but you should be open-minded enough not to diss it.

To me its just not real music. It lacks soul, and music has to have soul. DnB is just programmed beats, loops, and dubs. Trance is cool, but still I get bored of that. I heard that Goldie and KRS...its aiieght.

[SubTerrorist]

I gotta up this thread because Karma posted that d'n'b post a minute ago...

[mad$een]

Originally posted by SubTerrorist
Listen to death metal or something, shit

thats actually worse

[Nukie Brown]

My Drum 'n' Bass track is Roni Size's 'Brown Paper Bag'. I suggest you check it as that joint has soul too. DL off soulseek or sumtin.

[klemson*msg*atx]

FUCK every sub genre of Techno. Fuck Techno. Modern-day disco.

[Nukie Brown]

Originally posted by klemson*msg*atx
FUCK every sub genre of Techno. Fuck Techno. Modern-day disco.

After seeing this (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1581&NEXTID=0&PREVID=1589&DISPLAYORDER=20040910151159&CAT=movies&NSFW=) shit I suppose you have a valid point.

[arrowgargantuan]

Originally posted by Nukie Brown
After seeing this (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1581&NEXTID=0&PREVID=1589&DISPLAYORDER=20040910151159&CAT=movies&NSFW=) shit I suppose you have a valid point.

wow, that was obnoxious. did you see that dude in the background mocking him. good stuff.

[Karma]

techno is nothing like drum & bass...

[Ojay]

soul is soul, you numnuts.

if you can't hear it through the different tempos and categories, then maybe you don't have any.

some of the best hiphop is based on disco breaks. before disco was disco, it was soul. before house and techno music was disco and electronica, it was soul.

[twisted_harmonix]

drum and bass is completely different from other types of electronic music. take hip hop and speed it up, you got jungle (or d+b, whatever you wanna call it). if you actually take some time and listen to artists like dara or roni size, you'll start to understand the complexity of it. it aint just loops or simplistic stuff like some of yall seem to think. it takes a helluva lotta skill to master jungle. and if you see it live and see how they mix the beats, its amazing. and if you ever heard messenian or any emcees like him, they spit twice as fast as twista and come ten times as tight. no rappers have the skill that those jungle emcees got. recognize.

[S...]

Originally posted by twisted_harmonix
and if you see it live and see how they mix the beats, its amazing.


Haha. No it's not. It's a '32 count' 4/4 like any other electronic music.

And half those MC's ain't even sayin' words. They say shit like "flashyaliyta boobadabybumbeedobubybybybybybyby" really fast.

[twisted_harmonix]

Originally posted by S...
Haha. No it's not. It's a '32 count' 4/4 like any other electronic music.

And half those MC's ain't even sayin' words. They say shit like "flashyaliyta boobadabybumbeedobubybybybybybyby" really fast. ahhh, i'll save you the time of edjumacation and just let you believe what you want, but...
u aint knowin

[S...]

ahhh, i'll save you the time of edjumacation and just let you believe what you want, but...
u aint knowin


No, please, by all means. "School me" on the different time sig's of D&B. I await your all-knowing response.

[SubTerrorist]

I like that song on GTA: SA where dude is like , "this is my House, House Music..!" Its kind of fun to listen to.

[tgone]

DnB is just programmed beats, loops, and dubs.

yea, hiphop is nothing at all like that!

[twisted_harmonix]

No, please, by all means. "School me" on the different time sig's of D&B. I await your all-knowing response.
So then music can't be complex unless it has a variety of time signitures? I never said that DnB had a shitload of different time sigs. But yeah 4/4 is the norm, thats why they call it common time. Its used in rock, jazz, hip hop, country, bluegrass, wumdum banjo strummin, and whatever the fuck else you wanna throw in there. But no, jungle doesn't have to adhere to that, I've heard shit that has compound time sig's, multiple time sigs, or no time sigs at all per se. Dara has some work thats on some compound septuple-meter type shit.

But anyway, you got me off track here. The point aint about time sigs or any garbage like that. Its about how they blend sounds of multiple genres together and create masterpieces. And live shows are, as quik and luda would say, spur of the moment. They're actually makin that shit right there on the spot. It aint some beat that the dj just throws on the table that they've done a thousand times, its something they're creating as they go along, and if people would take a minute and listen to the complexity, they wouldn't be talkin so much shit. Jungle aint repetitive like house or trance, it doesn't slow down to let the dj catch his breath. If anything, it speeds up more and more and requires the artist to be on point increasingly every second, and then they blend in some shit out of the blue that just fits in perfectly and its like daaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyuuuuuummmmmmmm... unbelievable. That shit takes skills.

[luke_warm]

what i call jungle... is nothing like dnb.
im completely with subterrorist on the go listen to death metal suggestion.
--i dont care how complex it is twisted_harmonix.
--which is wierd cuz i like rap with substance.

i like jungle music, which i consider slower break driven jazzy music (94').
i dont understand when dnb stop being dub music and became
what it is right now

tgone, ppl i know try to telling me dnb is uk's hip hop. i clench my fist.
(as if thats some merit cuz blax in england created, it's cool by default.)
the sound is definately aquired.

[nlightend]

i dont play that shit in my stereo but if im at a rave or a house party and im rollin a can handle some jungle but yeah it gets old hella fast

[SubTerrorist]

tgone, ppl i know try to telling me dnb is uk's hip hop. i clench my fist.
(as if thats some merit cuz blax in england created, it's cool by default.)
the sound is definately aquired.

Alot of people say its just like hip hop and the fundamentals are true but the substance of the two genres are thoroughly different where dnb is simply vague, rap music carries poetry giving a human face.

Its not that I am totally against techno beats its just some dnb is a cop-out for aspiring musicians... not that I adhere to the "holier than thou" philosphy.

[twisted_harmonix]

Alot of people say its just like hip hop and the fundamentals are true but the substance of the two genres are thoroughly different where dnb is simply vague, rap music carries poetry giving a human face.

Its not that I am totally against techno beats its just some dnb is a cop-out for aspiring musicians... not that I adhere to the "holier than thou" philosphy.
dnb is vague? dnb is a cop-out? none of this makes sense. what is your reasoning behind this? my guess is that you have none. better luck next time. :rolleyes:

[Ipatch]

I like some d'n'b and jungle, but at the house when I'm chillin. I don't understand why people wanna go out and hear that shit at the clubs though. It's like the opposite of dance music to me. I think the euros just jacked up the bpm's to cover up the fact that their honky asses can't dance. The hip hop influence is undeniable though... just play a few hip hop instrumentals on 45 and you'll see.

As far as the DJ's though, pffft. I used to eat those toys for breakfast back in 99 or so. I'm sure there are a lot of talented, dedicated cats in that game, but EVERY non-hip hop DJ I met while I was in Monterey was a total herb. Most of em were wanna-be hip hop DJs that knew they couldn't cut it.

[SubvertTheSystem]

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DnB is just programmed beats, loops, and dubs

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what the fuck do you think hip hop is then???

programmed beats, loops, with mc's rapping over them at a slower BPM...

sure there's some live hip-hop bands, but there's also live jungle/dnb bands too... with live drummers that can keep a steady beat at 160 bpm's...

so to say it lacks soul is pretty ignorant...

what's with all the hate anyways, go smoke a j or somethin...

[twisted_harmonix]

^^^^^word.

[WhALE]

If it wasn't for that shitty double time break ruining everything, D+B is pretty tough. I love the grimy wretched bass n shit, but that double break kills me, I just can't get down like that. :confused:

I should get my hands on some D+B and screw the shit out of it till it sounds right.

[twisted_harmonix]

If it wasn't for that shitty double time break ruining everything, D+B is pretty tough. I love the grimy wretched bass n shit, but that double break kills me, I just can't get down like that. :confused:

I should get my hands on some D+B and screw the shit out of it till it sounds right.
yeah the grimey stuff is good... dara can drop summathat. and the jazz oriented d+b is tight too.

[Ipatch]

yeah the grimey stuff is good... dara can drop summathat.

His stuff is grimey? I was dating a chick by that name years ago and had some extra dough to spend on vinyl, so I picked up one of his albums kind of as a laugh. I actually dug a lot of it. I thought it was more minimalist than grimey though- kinda like if The Nonce decided to make a d'n'b record.

That shit is SO easy to mix though. Essentially the higher the BPM, the easier it is to match beats. And all the raver DJs match that shit up and then fade it in, which is weak sauce. It's all about droppin that shit in on beat...

[WhALE]

That shit is SO easy to mix though. Essentially the higher the BPM, the easier it is to match beats. And all the raver DJs match that shit up and then fade it in, which is weak sauce. It's all about droppin that shit in on beat...

chuuch.









.......10 bitch-ass characters......

[Hacksaw Jim]

SO easy to mix.







uh huh thats true

[twisted_harmonix]

SO easy to mix
I'd like to see you do what dara does. NOT so easy.
and dara has a lotta different styles, so you probably picked up one of his mellower cd's. full circle and further are both on some pretty hard ass jungle. dj db is the same way... he's got some really chill music, then some dark grimey stuff too.

[stacks_malone]

try mixing "easy" d n b like dj craze.... then you will see mastery

[S...]

try mixing "easy" d n b like dj craze.... then you will see mastery



Thats not mixing though. Thats straight turntablism. He's not mixing records, he's making music.

As a blanket statement, DnB is easy to mix. Period. Sorry to break it to you..... it's just like spinning house, or any other type of dance music. I speak from experience, not obersvation (t-harmz). Blending is easy period. Once you can match a beat, you can mix damn near anything.

[twisted_harmonix]

s... you have a point. but the hard part about it isn't necessarily the mixing itself, but creating and chosing the right sounds that will fit into the beat and sound good. and its not all at the same bpm... they can throw in some slower basslines that just drop hard as hell and it'll blow your mind. i'm speakin from experience too, and to get the right combination of sounds in the mix is the hardest thing.

[S...]

s... you have a point. but the hard part about it isn't necessarily the mixing itself, but creating and chosing the right sounds that will fit into the beat and sound good. and its not all at the same bpm... they can throw in some slower basslines that just drop hard as hell and it'll blow your mind. i'm speakin from experience too, and to get the right combination of sounds in the mix is the hardest thing.


True. That boils down to just being a good selector (a good reference to ill selection would be Patch's mixtape). Which is (pardon my AC the PDish nature) a lost art. But in my opinion, the less musical the "jungle".... that shit that is just Moog bass and grinding synth noise crap, the easier it's going to be to mix.

[Ojay]

anybody get down to that 2-step garage shit? i love it.. kinda new jack swingish (syncopated, melodic, and soulful) but the beats hit hard and the grooves are nice. basically, its the type of beats that dizzee rascal and the streets flow over... sounds a lot better with some r&b style vocals over it.

[Ipatch]

I don't care how much effort some rave motherfucker put into a set, the fact remains you could throw his crate into the air, pick up the records at random and throw em on and nobody would know the fucking difference. And when you have shit going at 170+ bpm, finding shit to mix in half-time is cake...

Hip hop is a whole other story. If you wanna blend, putting sets together is a bitch because the songs aren't all structured EXACTLY the same like electronica shit. Some joints have 4 bars of beat before the lyrics, some have 8, some have lyrics before the beat even drops. And some shit that works is off-key and DOESN'T work... it's two entirely different ballgames.

I said it earlier, I know there are some real artists in that shit. But personally, not only do I find the music unfulfilling, but it is SO FUCKING EASY to spin. Seriously, I'd flip both discs of the Dara LP's I had, in and out of tracks with a quickness back in the day, and raver fools would stare all slack-jawed like I was their new hero. I'd laugh my ass off and run off with their girls... herbs.

The rave scene was fraudulent from the start, which is why it's dead now. You might as well pick up the accordion, it's more relevant.

PS- thanks for the love S :p

[SubTerrorist]

Damn this thread is four pages? Anyways I take it back, I am starting to dig electro-hump music. Anyways, not Happy Hardcore, anybody heard of that? I reviewed a certain comp that came out a few years ago for RANT Magazine out in Sacto, it was the easiest I did, no thought at all. Just put it on the bbq after listening to about 30 seconds of each track...

This dude that was a clepto and a rollerblader/tweaker/wierdo was upset that I just didn't give him the cd.

Anyways, I am feeling that Darkwave stuff coming up from the cavernous underground.

[Ipatch]

This dude that was a clepto and a rollerblader/tweaker/wierdo

The epitome of the raver fan base :p

Nah, maybe now that it's less popular the cream will start rising to the top. I could see there being an up-cycle again. Just please, keep it out of the clubs...

[twisted_harmonix]

The epitome of the raver fan base :p

Nah, maybe now that it's less popular the cream will start rising to the top. I could see there being an up-cycle again. Just please, keep it out of the clubs...
well with guys like dj db runnin shit, its bound to be the music uv tha future. its been improving steadily since the turn of tha millenium.