View Full Version : Mainstream Hip Hop Is Wack
Theory
12-09-2003, 08:33 PM
I shouldn't even call it hip hop, i should just str8 call it garbage.
i just wish 1 day i can hear sme legends on the radio, some dope slug shit on mtv, i dont get how people listen to 50 cent, kayne west, jay-z, i dont get it....do words not mean anything anymore? is it all about what kinda voice u got that sounds good over beats, im not saying i hate mainstream hip hop cuz it's catorgized as "mainstream" i just hate that shit cuz its wack, it has no meaning, just blah blah blah over some strong beats..the fans piss me off even more, just the fact they, ya know, support it.
matt1212
12-09-2003, 08:39 PM
People (And by people I mean the majority of society, sure there are rebels, like us :D ), but the majority of people dont want meaning and depth in music. They want music that has the upbeat vibe, something you listen to on the way to a club, something you can dance to at the club. Makes it easy for you to shake your ass. And also by supporting it, people buy into it because that is whats "cool". A song on offwhyte's first cd, a guest emcee said it best:
"You cant stand music thats not popular, and when it becomes popualar, you cant stand not having it"
Basically people dont care about messages through hip hop music at this point. They dont want to hear it. I ask people at my school why they listen to waht they do, and they know I take writing very seriously and maintain messages, but they say "when you're bumpin hip hop, the lyrics don;t matter, as long as it bumps" and I see where they're coming from, but I beg to differ :mad:
_Unknown*
12-09-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by matt1212
I ask people at my school why they listen to waht they do, and they know I take writing very seriously and maintain messages, but they say "when you're bumpin hip hop, the lyrics don;t matter, as long as it bumps"
ooohhh that makes me mad! i hate people like that! lyrics dont matter? mindless drones! that just made me angry.
verbal kint
12-09-2003, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Theory
kayne west, jay-z
they are both sick. i dont know what you're talking about. just listen to the lyrics on the black album, and you can notice how introspective and full of meaning jay z's lyrics have. and i dont know how you can talk shit about kanye west, his beats are fuckin fire and while he may not be the illest lyricist, he's putting it down for conscious hip hop.
DEMiZe-
12-09-2003, 09:38 PM
Well if I'm up in a club, I'd choose Kanye West over someone like Aesop Rock. I mean, sure what Aesop has to say is cool and all but damn, how do you expect to get your party on listening to someone rap about some depressing shit? I'm at a club to party and have a good time, not to think about what the meaning of life is.
I'll leave all of that Aesop Rock type shit for when I get home alone without a single ladies phone number. :p
true_u_head
12-09-2003, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
Well if I'm up in a club, I'd choose Kanye West over someone like Aesop Rock. I mean, sure what Aesop has to say is cool and all but damn, how do you expect to get your party on listening to someone rap about some depressing shit? I'm at a club to party and have a good time, not to think about what the meaning of life is.
I'll leave all of that Aesop Rock type shit for when I get home alone without a single ladies phone number. :p
demize, we share the same view on mainstream vs. underground. and :( about the phone numbers..
tgone
12-09-2003, 10:42 PM
even though this is a played out topic, I still feel the need to respond....
if you're talking about "hip hop" or "rap" music then Jay-Z and 50 Cent are just that. They're from the streets...they rap about real shit whether you like it or not. that's what hiphop is. real shit. too many rappers these days talk about shit that i dont even understand, or care to think about. there's something to be said about people who rap about "simple" things like violence in their neighborhoods, sex and money. what's wrong with that? it's really easy for middle-upper class kids to think that groups like Mobb Deep are irrelevant and not "hiphop" because they just dont understand it. THese are all artists underground fans often criticize but in reality they're some of the most realistic rappers around. It's true there's fakes but that's true in the underground too. I know middle class white kids who rap as abstract as possible (it's their goal) and think they ARE hiphop. I guess they're making music that sounds like hiphop but they weren't raised on it. the culture is from the streets and well known folks like Mobb Deep, 2pac, Biggie, Nas, Jay-Z, Master P, OutKast, Too Short, E-40, Snoop Dogg, Dr Dre all rep that. I'm not saying they always come tight but you can't take that away from them. it's crazy these days, people are saying Slug is more hiphop than Jay-Z etc. That's absolutely crazy.
the same shit happens in Jamaica. Mainstream dancehall artists are usually materialistic and simple. well...that's what people want to hear! there's a reason why they're making millions of dollars...people are buying the music. and also, everyone can relate to shabba ranks talking about good punanny and a new car...but can they relate to Aesop Rock complaining about he feels like a human tug boat?
One thing I also noticed about a lot of underground fans is that they're elitists. They act like they're better because they listen to music that has less exposure and uses bigger words. I guess they feel special or something. well that's cool...i like that stuff too but i'm about to segregate myself. i can see the beauty in many different styles of music from many different cultures. I can enjoy peaceful sitars or the most ghetto angry shit...as long as it's truthful and realistic...it's like watching a movie...
also, people act like underground artists are all concious when in reality there's plently of underground artists who are negative and promote negativity. also, there's artists with positive messages in their music but do the same shady shit that these mainstream artists do...
tgone
12-09-2003, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
Well if I'm up in a club, I'd choose Kanye West over someone like Aesop Rock. I mean, sure what Aesop has to say is cool and all but damn, how do you expect to get your party on listening to someone rap about some depressing shit? I'm at a club to party and have a good time, not to think about what the meaning of life is.
I'll leave all of that Aesop Rock type shit for when I get home alone without a single ladies phone number. :p
Right on man. I'm the same. When I'm at a party I want to hear the least intellectual shit possible. I'm trying to meet girls and ENJOY life. I'm trying to have fun. no time to be serious. people are too serious and they suffer. I listen to depressing shit like soul on ice when im in my room dwelling alone. when im in my car or out and about I want to hear music that makes me want to move my body and have fun. if folks can't feel me on that then i guess we must have different personalities. when a dre beat drops at a party you know shit's about to get fun!
people also act like that because they listen to "concious" underground hiphop they're automatically good and positive people in society. that's not true at all. i know plenty of underground fans who are negative people and i know people who only listen to 50 cent and jay-z who are wonderful people and help others...you can't always classify people on what they listen to or what they say in their music even...
tgone
12-09-2003, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by verbal_kint
they are both sick. i dont know what you're talking about. just listen to the lyrics on the black album, and you can notice how introspective and full of meaning jay z's lyrics have. and i dont know how you can talk shit about kanye west, his beats are fuckin fire and while he may not be the illest lyricist, he's putting it down for conscious hip hop.
didn't he produce "get by" for Kweli?
Theory
12-09-2003, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
Well if I'm up in a club, I'd choose Kanye West over someone like Aesop Rock. I mean, sure what Aesop has to say is cool and all but damn, how do you expect to get your party on listening to someone rap about some depressing shit? I'm at a club to party and have a good time, not to think about what the meaning of life is.
I'll leave all of that Aesop Rock type shit for when I get home alone without a single ladies phone number. :p
aesop is wack, i dont even like aesop that much, i just would rather hear some legends, ya know?
and i dont care whether im in a club or at a fucking circus i would rather hear some meaningful music then some unmeaningful music.
Theory
12-09-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by tgone
also, people act like underground artists are all concious when in reality there's plently of underground artists who are negative and promote negativity. also, there's artists with positive messages in their music but do the same shady shit that these mainstream artists do...
u dont know slug, non-phixon, or any of the legends, so how can u say they act shady?
im a angry person sometimes too, and i can listen to some real hip hop and know that shit is ok, i dont feel jay-z or kayne west, they are talking about meaningful shit?, nah, thats some bull cuz really they are speaking about how they are having it so bad in the ghetto they left like 10 years ago.
verbal kint
12-09-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by tgone
didn't he produce "get by" for Kweli?
yup. and if that song isnt on some conscious hip hop tip, then i dont know what is.
tgone
12-09-2003, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Theory
and i dont care whether im in a club or at a fucking circus i would rather hear some meaningful music then some unmeaningful music.
all things have meaning...you just can't or allow yourself to relate to them....
tgone
12-09-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by verbal_kint
yup. and if that song isnt on some conscious hip hop tip, then i dont know what is.
very concious, and that shit was being played all over...
Theory
12-09-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by tgone
Right on man. I'm the same. When I'm at a party I want to hear the least intellectual shit possible. I'm trying to meet girls and ENJOY life. I'm trying to have fun. no time to be serious. people are too serious and they suffer. I listen to depressing shit like soul on ice when im in my room dwelling alone. when im in my car or out and about I want to hear music that makes me want to move my body and have fun. if folks can't feel me on that then i guess we must have different personalities. when a dre beat drops at a party you know shit's about to get fun!
people also act like that because they listen to "concious" underground hiphop they're automatically good and positive people in society. that's not true at all. i know plenty of underground fans who are negative people and i know people who only listen to 50 cent and jay-z who are wonderful people and help others...you can't always classify people on what they listen to or what they say in their music even...
there music is out there, so u have to classify....they get a reputation for what they are saying, u should know that, they put out a wack ass image that has something to say and its all wack then...it should be the other way around.
Theory
12-09-2003, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by matt1212
People (And by people I mean the majority of society, sure there are rebels, like us :D ), but the majority of people dont want meaning and depth in music. They want music that has the upbeat vibe, something you listen to on the way to a club, something you can dance to at the club. Makes it easy for you to shake your ass. And also by supporting it, people buy into it because that is whats "cool". A song on offwhyte's first cd, a guest emcee said it best:
"You cant stand music thats not popular, and when it becomes popualar, you cant stand not having it"
Basically people dont care about messages through hip hop music at this point. They dont want to hear it. I ask people at my school why they listen to waht they do, and they know I take writing very seriously and maintain messages, but they say "when you're bumpin hip hop, the lyrics don;t matter, as long as it bumps" and I see where they're coming from, but I beg to differ :mad:
word to that man
tgone
12-09-2003, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Theory
u dont know slug, non-phixon, or any of the legends, so how can u say they act shady?
yo...who said that? i wasn't directing that comment to anyone in particular.
Originally posted by Theory
im a angry person sometimes too, and i can listen to some real hip hop and know that shit is ok, i dont feel jay-z or kayne west, they are talking about meaningful shit?, nah, thats some bull cuz really they are speaking about how they are having it so bad in the ghetto they left like 10 years ago.
so? a lot of ghetto folks want to hear about that. i got ghetto folks up that love that shit because it means something to them. that's cool. you can't say it doesn't have meaning...that's ignorant.
Theory
12-09-2003, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by tgone
so? lotsa ghetto folks want to hear about that. i got ghetto folks up in seattle that love that shit because it means something to them. you can't say it doesn't have meaning...that's ignorant.
nah it isnt, its the truth to ghetto, homeless, rich, ect...
tgone
12-09-2003, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Theory
nah it isnt, its the truth to ghetto, homeless, rich, ect...
To sum up what I'm saying is that the mainstream reflects reality on a large scale. In this world, paper chasing, fucking girls and having fun just means a lot more to more people...it's that simple.
In a lot of ways...rap is the blues of the 80s, 90s and 00s. folks feel the need escape their hellish reality and express themselves. That's exactly what slaves did and how blues/jazz music developed. they weren't always talking about "positive" or "deep" shit. in a lot of cases they were talking about simple things like cornbread, pussy and not having cash (just like 50 cent etc). The same shit is going on today but it's being mixed with marketing and business. it would've happened then but it didn't...
and for the record, I don't like all mainstream....people may assume this after reading all my responses...
Lynwood
12-09-2003, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by verbal_kint
they are both sick. i dont know what you're talking about. just listen to the lyrics on the black album, and you can notice how introspective and full of meaning jay z's lyrics have. and i dont know how you can talk shit about kanye west, his beats are fuckin fire and while he may not be the illest lyricist, he's putting it down for conscious hip hop.
word
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:00 AM
rap has a bad reputation for the people that listen to that stuff, i ask my mom or a friend that knows of rap and they say its bullshit about being gangster or fuck this and that, which isnt all hip hop, and if u a true hip hop fan u will know that thats not what hip hop is about, PERIOD.
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Theory
rap has a bad reputation for the people that listen to that stuff, i ask my mom or a friend that knows of rap and they say its bullshit about being gangster or fuck this and that, which isnt all hip hop, and if u a true hip hop fan u will know that thats not what hip hop is about, PERIOD.
http://www.funone.com/2001/rm/awards/duh.jpg
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:14 AM
^^^yeah but u like jay-z and kayne west so that means ur hipiocriting urself....cuz they talking about being gangster and giving the bad reputation so fool i think u need to check urself before u start comin at me like duh cuz u dont even know...
i drink the water before i fish in it-slug
think about it im tellin u sumthing^
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Theory
^ cuz u dont even know...
how old are again
u dont like jay-z .....but u like hip hop
ummmmmmm ok
yah ur right :rolleyes:
lmao
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Lynwood
how old are again
u dont like jay-z .....but u like hip hop
ummmmmmm ok
yah ur right :rolleyes:
lmao
yeah i am... *shrugs*
verbal kint
12-10-2003, 12:18 AM
theory, can you give me a quote from kanye west where he talks about being a gangsta? cause i really dont know what you're talking about with bringing him in it.
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by verbal_kint
theory, can you give me a quote from kanye west where he talks about being a gangsta? cause i really dont know what you're talking about that cat.
theorys response
http://wwwrsphysse.anu.edu.au/ampl/research/theory/theory1.jpg
FUCK JAY-Z
thats all i can say....:D
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:22 AM
i think this kid theory is one of those kids who gives no respect
to ANYONE that is "mainstream"
jay is tight
rza is tight (producer)
shiiit big tigger is tight ( cant hate on his flows)
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by verbal_kint
theory, can you give me a quote from kanye west where he talks about being a gangsta? cause i really dont know what you're talking about with bringing him in it.
i dont have any of his wack shit, sorry, i heard his video high as fuck with my homies and we all laughed at it...and i remember seeing some guy in there saying sumthing like...
"i do this with my arm off, my nigga hold it..."
if u ask me, that shits wack....dont need to be gangster or not...its wack.
DEMiZe-
12-10-2003, 12:23 AM
What about that Black Eyed Peas "Where Is The Love" song? That's got some meaning and it's pretty "mainstream", what do you think of that?
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by seak247
FUCK JAY-Z
thats all i can say....:D
ha ha u one of them kids like theory huh seak
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Lynwood
i think this kid theory is one of those kids who gives no respect
to ANYONE that is "mainstream"
jay is tight
rza is tight (producer)
shiiit big tigger is tight ( cant hate on his flows)
did u not see my first post? read it carefully...it says i dont like mainstream because its catorgized as "mainstream"...ok.
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
What about that Black Eyed Peas "Where Is The Love" song? That's got some meaning and it's pretty "mainstream", what do you think of that?
stfu aint nobody talkin bout bep
and i hate that song
fuck love
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
What about that Black Eyed Peas "Where Is The Love" song? That's got some meaning and it's pretty "mainstream", what do you think of that?
i think the backstreet boys are gay.
Originally posted by Lynwood
ha ha u one of them kids like theory huh seak
NAh im just myself......
jay-z is wack, thats my opinion...im sure you like that jigga shit though...LMAO........
DEMiZe-
12-10-2003, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by Lynwood
stfu aint nobody talkin bout bep
and i hate that song
fuck love
I don't like it that much either but I'm just pointing it out to Theory, and it's still considered to be a hip-hop song.
Take a chill pill yo. Some people take this hip-hop shit too seriously.
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:27 AM
naw seak
i just cant hate on ALL his shit
niether can u if u listen
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
Some people take this hip-hop shit too seriously.
hip hop is life
^its not for me......is that OK...LOL
he is wack, im sorry you cant see that
verbal kint
12-10-2003, 12:28 AM
yeah, bep fell off. that song sucks dick.
theory, you should make sure examples in your argument stand ground when you use them.
kanye west quote, from the video you probably saw high as fuck:
What if somebody from the shadow was ill got a deal on the hottest rap label around
But he wasn't talking bout coke and birds it was more like spoken word
Except he really putting it down
And he explained the story about how blacks came from glory
And what we need to do in the game
now that quote doesnt seem gangsta to me whatsover.
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by verbal_kint
yeah, bep fell off. that song sucks dick.
freal
DEMiZe-
12-10-2003, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Theory
i think the backstreet boys are gay.
That's good, but they aren't hip-hop. BEP is classified as hip-hop and they deliver a positive message in that song, so why don't you like it? It's a step to putting some meaning in hip-hop music that's being played by the "mainstream" media, which is what this discussion is about isn't it?
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by verbal_kint
yeah, bep fell off. that song sucks dick.
theory, you should make sure examples in your argument stand ground when you use them.
kanye west quote, from the video you probably saw high as fuck:
What if somebody from the shadow was ill got a deal on the hottest rap label around
But he wasn't talking bout coke and birds it was more like spoken word
Except he really putting it down
And he explained the story about how blacks came from glory
And what we need to do in the game
now that quote doesnt seem gangsta to me whatsover.
nah it doesn't, but thats 1 quote out of 40 that say some bullshit, i dont have to have any of his albums or a quote, i already know from listening to that 1 song...
wont you, um, please never be my neighbor, if the sound u make is noise ima catch u later-grouch
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
That's good, but they aren't hip-hop. BEP is classified as hip-hop and they deliver a positive message in that song, so why don't you like it? It's a step to putting some meaning in hip-hop music that's being played by the "mainstream" media, which is what this discussion as about isn't it?
i think a backstreet boy is in that song am i not right?
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
That's good, but they aren't hip-hop. BEP is classified as hip-hop and they deliver a positive message in that song, so why don't you like it? It's a step to putting some meaning in hip-hop music that's being played by the "mainstream" media, which is what this discussion as about isn't it?
dont quote theory
back street boys
WTF !
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by Lynwood
dont quote theory
back street boys
WTF !
i think a backstreet boy is in that song am i not right?
and dude, really, ur comments are useless man, u know nothing about hip hop, u have a avatar of some bloddy clown or some shit, cmon now, go back to punk rock.
Lynwood
12-10-2003, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Theory
i think a backstreet boy is in that song am i not right?
tha BEP song
ummmm
i wouldnt know :rolleyes:
DEMiZe-
12-10-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Theory
i think a backstreet boy is in that song am i not right?
You didn't answer my question.
It doesn't matter whether a Backstreet Boys song is being sampled or not. I haven't listened to enough Backstreet Boys to even know if it was sampled. I do know that Justin Timberlake is on the hook and that's all I can think of for pop artists being on that cut.
Either way, BEP is considered to be hip-hop by the "mainstream" media and in that song they are delivering a positive message that carries a meaning. It's the opposite of all of this gangster rap you seem to be complaining about so if you don't appreciate the direction that they are trying to take it in, which is far from being gangster and everything else you rant about, why did you even bother starting this topic anyway?
I hate that song just as much as the next person but if YOU can't even appreciate what they are trying to accomplish through that song then what exactly are you fighting for?
Theory
12-10-2003, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
You didn't answer my question.
It doesn't matter whether a Backstreet Boys song is being sampled or not. I haven't listened to enough Backstreet Boys to even know if it was sampled. I do know that Justin Timberlake is on the hook and that's all I can think of for pop artists being on that cut.
Either way, BEP is considered to be hip-hop by the "mainstream" media and in that song they are delivering a positive message that carries a meaning. It's the opposite of all of this gangster rap you seem to be complaining about so if you don't appreciate the direction that they are trying to take it in, which is far from being gangster and everything else you rant about, why did you even bother starting this topic anyway?
I hate that song just as much as the next person but if YOU can't even appreciate what they are trying to accomplish through that song then what exactly are you fighting for?
that song is wack, yeah, it has meaning, that dont mean its good...mainstream hip hop is wack because even most mc's in mainstream that do have a word in hip hop that have sumthing to say dont know how to say it with mother fuckin class, like the legends, and if u dont get what i been trying to say, is i think the shits wack that they dont play legends on the radio but play wack shit like that, u feel me?
DEMiZe-
12-10-2003, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Theory
that song is wack, yeah, it has meaning, that dont mean its good...mainstream hip hop is wack because even most mc's in mainstream that do have a word in hip hop that have sumthing to say dont know how to say it with mother fuckin class, like the legends, and if u dont get what i been trying to say, is i think the shits wack that they dont play legends on the radio but play wack shit like that, u feel me?
Here's the definition of class for you...
Class
n.
A set, collection, group, or configuration containing members regarded as having certain attributes or traits in common; a kind or category.
A division based on quality, rank, or grade, as:
A grade of mail: a package sent third class.
A quality of accommodation on public transport: tourist class.
A social stratum whose members share certain economic, social, or cultural characteristics: the lower-income classes.
Social rank or caste, especially high rank.
Informal Elegance of style, taste, and manner: an actor with class.
A level of academic development, as in an elementary or secondary school.
A group of students who are taught together because they have roughly the same level of academic development.
A group of students or alumni who have the same year of graduation.
A group of students who meet at a regularly scheduled time to study the same subject.
The period during which such a group meets: had to stay after class.
Biology A taxonomic category ranking below a phylum or division and above an order. See Table at taxonomy.
Statistics An interval in a frequency distribution.
Linguistics A group of words belonging to the same grammatical category that share a particular set of morphological properties, such as a set of inflections.
"Where Is The Love" was done and delivered with class, and yes I feel you, you're just another hypocrit who's trying to prove a point that you can't back up. Instead of complaining on here, why don't you go to your local radio station and get them to play some Legends since you seem to be jocking them so hard.
verbal kint
12-10-2003, 01:13 AM
what does saying a message with class have anything to do with anything? and if it does, can you please tell me how the legends present a message with class, that someone else thats mainstream cant do? isnt it all about the message in the music that matters? cause i really dont know how public enemy's or nwa's music presented their message with class.
theory is just lost and doesnt know where to turn in his argument.
Theory
12-10-2003, 01:42 AM
both of you are fucking dumb
mainstream hip hop is wack, they should play better hip hop on the radio, mtv, ect
i could give a fuck about you and ur opinion really
so take ur garbage jay-z trash and ur kayne west wanna be fucking wack shit and go listen to it 24/7 and idiolize it k...then come back to this message board in 5 years and say it still sounds good and has class ok.
i never said mainstream is more wack because it doesnt have a message, i said it is wack because most of the shit there saying is meaningfuless...i hate meaningfulles people, thought, music, ect...
what im trying to say if u dont fucking get it by now is that there are mc's that are better than kayne west and jay-z and they get no support....why? cuz u support that garbage on tv and the radio.
i dont have to proove anything to you or anyone who doesnt know where im coming from...
i dont hate the artists that make the music, i hate the fans that support it....
What a unique, innovative and oh so different topic of discussion. This HAS to be the first time this has ever been discussed.
Totally awesome.
lol.^yea and someone is eventually going to prove the other wrong................................................................. ...................................................
mad$een
12-10-2003, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by Theory
I shouldn't even call it hip hop, i should just str8 call it garbage.
i dont get how people listen to 50 cent, kayne west, jay-z, i dont get it....do words not mean anything anymore? .
WTF-do words mean anything anymore?jay z is the realest rapper out there,his words are fuckin deep and hes a real emcee who spits real shit unlike most of these underground artists-maybe too hard for you to understand and kanye west is better than any underground producer out there-put money on it-i think youre a backpacking herb who just listens to "underground"and thinks its cool to just hate the mainstream for no reason-thats how most underground fans are
i could name one kanye beat thats better than ANYTHING that your favorite producer has made
Originally posted by tgone
When I'm at a party I want to hear the least intellectual shit possible. I'm trying to meet girls and ENJOY life. I'm trying to have fun. no time to be serious. people are too serious and they suffer. I listen to depressing shit like soul on ice when im in my room dwelling alone. when im in my car or out and about I want to hear music that makes me want to move my body and have fun. if folks can't feel me on that then i guess we must have different personalities. when a dre beat drops at a party you know shit's about to get fun!
heck yeah.. i think a lot of folks who knock radio-friendly and dancefloor-friendly hiphop just can't dance.. can't have fun w/everyday people.. plain and simple.
Originally posted by tgone
people also act like that because they listen to "concious" underground hiphop they're automatically good and positive people in society. that's not true at all. i know plenty of underground fans who are negative people and i know people who only listen to 50 cent and jay-z who are wonderful people and help others...you can't always classify people on what they listen to or what they say in their music even...
Yes. some of the toughest folks i know are stuck on popular love songs and easy listening shit... some of the nicest and most thoughtful people listen to Lil Jon or Trina. You can appreciate and "use" music (among other things) on so many different levels.. when there's a little kids birthday party, what do the cool parents play on the stereo when the kids wanna dance or play musical chairs? they turn on the party station or the power station or whatever.. sure, there's a lot of questionable themes in the music.. but there was questionable lyrics in music when i was a kid too.. i had no idea what most of the music i listened to as a child really meant.. i listen to stuff like Prince, Michael Jackson, Madonna, etc (i grew up in the 80's as opposed to being born in them.. haha) nowadays, and i'm like "oh! that shit's nasty!" hahaha! back then, i was just a kid trying to get my strut on... i didn't understand sexual innuendo or drug references.. it's a little bit more direct and blunt nowadays, but please don't insult the intelligence of kids who listen to the radio.. as crazy as the world gets.. the people who grow up in it will adapt, evolve, and get throught it somehow.
Originally posted by Theory
i dont hate the artists that make the music, i hate the fans that support it....
yeah, but you still a hater.
heeheeheeheeheeeeee ! :D
DEMiZe-
12-10-2003, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Theory
both of you are fucking dumb
mainstream hip hop is wack, they should play better hip hop on the radio, mtv, ect
i could give a fuck about you and ur opinion really
so take ur garbage jay-z trash and ur kayne west wanna be fucking wack shit and go listen to it 24/7 and idiolize it k...then come back to this message board in 5 years and say it still sounds good and has class ok.
i never said mainstream is more wack because it doesnt have a message, i said it is wack because most of the shit there saying is meaningfuless...i hate meaningfulles people, thought, music, ect...
what im trying to say if u dont fucking get it by now is that there are mc's that are better than kayne west and jay-z and they get no support....why? cuz u support that garbage on tv and the radio.
i dont have to proove anything to you or anyone who doesnt know where im coming from...
i dont hate the artists that make the music, i hate the fans that support it....
Looks like someone hit a nerve.
So did you have some sort of an epiphany when you came up with this topic?
Honestly you're ranting has become just as meaningless as the music you are hating about. You know why? Bitching about it on a forum isn't going to help your movement. The time you spent complaining and taking personal shots at people, you could've gone out to a radio station plugged the Legends and actually done something with a purpose to what you're fighting for. They might not get airplay but at least there was a meaning behind what you were trying to do. How bout you do all of us a favour and stick to making topics like "What Cologne Do The Legends Wear?", "What Type Of Juice Do The Legends Drink?", and "What Are The Legends Favourite Colours?" since you don't have the intellectual capacity to hold your own in a topic of this calibre.
I should've known better than to come into played out topics like this, some people just don't understand. I did it for the posts anyway. :rolleyes:
amanda
12-10-2003, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Theory
I shouldn't even call it hip hop, i should just str8 call it garbage.
i just wish 1 day i can hear sme legends on the radio, some dope slug shit on mtv, i dont get how people listen to 50 cent, kayne west, jay-z, i dont get it....do words not mean anything anymore? is it all about what kinda voice u got that sounds good over beats, im not saying i hate mainstream hip hop cuz it's catorgized as "mainstream" i just hate that shit cuz its wack, it has no meaning, just blah blah blah over some strong beats..the fans piss me off even more, just the fact they, ya know, support it. what do you exactly mean my mainsteam? whats on mtv or the radio? is that it? because i could really tell you that there are songs on the radio and mtv that do have meaning and there are your so called "indy" rappers who make songs about crap, as well. just because someone has a deal or not really isnt how you catagorize content. i thought everybody could tell this. all you have to do is pay attention to the lyrics, thats a real thing.
Originally posted by DEMiZe-
meaningless
Now now..... it's "Meaningfulless" not meaningless.
lol.
DEMiZe-
12-10-2003, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by S...
Now now..... it's "Meaningfulless" not meaningless.
lol.
Haha!
Either way, the word has no meaning in this thread.
Theory
12-11-2003, 12:21 PM
the only reason i made this was to say its lame that they play wack shit on the radio, and i just find mainstream hip hop meaningless, maybe i just can't relate to it, but thats the way i feel.
verbal kint
12-11-2003, 12:58 PM
theory, you need to open your mind, just like how people who only listen to mainstream music need to open their mind to the shit they dont play on the radio. cause there is good stuff to be heard that is mainstream.
Theory
12-11-2003, 01:10 PM
i try to have a open mind to it, just seems like the shit there saying sounds like its just bullshit...
Lynwood
12-11-2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Theory
i try to have a open mind to it, just seems like the shit there saying sounds like its just bullshit...
MOST of it
there is to much rap/hiphop what the fuck it is to try and say a whole portion of it is wack. Until you've heard all mainstream has to offer then how can it be wack in a whole. If you listen to underground tapes all day then of course you most likely won't have an ear for mainstream rap. Underground heads take lyrics way to serious and not for what they are. Interpretations of the world as another sees it. Damn, chew up the meat and spit out the bones.
Theory
12-12-2003, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by BTS6
there is to much rap/hiphop what the fuck it is to try and say a whole portion of it is wack. Until you've heard all mainstream has to offer then how can it be wack in a whole. If you listen to underground tapes all day then of course you most likely won't have an ear for mainstream rap. Underground heads take lyrics way to serious and not for what they are. Interpretations of the world as another sees it. Damn, chew up the meat and spit out the bones.
i know where ur coming from, and i feel u in that sense, i shouldnt say i hate mainstream hip hop when i aint heard all of it, but really, u have to agree that most mainstream mc's are wack compared to underground 1's.
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