ancient bay rappers

[heater]

anyone remember mc pooh, 415, action packed gangstas, dangerous dame, father dom, anotha level, goldy, bad influenz or black dynasty? just curious.

[evad]

Originally posted by heater
anyone remember mc pooh, 415, action packed gangstas, dangerous dame, father dom, anotha level, goldy, bad influenz or black dynasty? just curious.


anotha level? is that the same group that had a album in the mid 90's w/ice cube on it? they sounded like a pharcyde knock off?

[heater]

you got it - ridiculous souls of mischief bite group, right down to their outfits - nice catch evad

[the pm]

Originally posted by heater
anyone remember mc pooh, 415, action packed gangstas, dangerous dame, father dom, anotha level, goldy, bad influenz or black dynasty? just curious.

remember all of them father dom has an lp comin in 04
rappin ron of bad n fluenz died

and another level...i remember the group ice cube put out
"so whats that cha say about the west coast..."

[heater]

rappin ron was tight too- nice album - you actually remember action packed gangstas? that shit is extra obscure -

[the pm]

i remember the name ...im tryin to remmeber a song tho

you cant talk about old bay rap and forget hugh e mc

[heater]

415 is so old school that they repped the O before the 510 area code even existed

[Raider 420]

Once upon a time..
I purchased that Anotha Level joint.

I prolly still have it somewhere too.
I had no MTV back in the day..
CMC was once a big influence as to which albums I purchased.

[the pm]

Originally posted by Raider 420
CMC was once a big influence as to which albums I purchased.

i hear that...hip hop fridays

[heater]

CMC! oh shit - i grew up in berkeley and moved east about four years ago - is that shit still on? here's some more old school bay trivia - remember that show "home turf" hosted by dominique di prima? thats like mid to late 80s bay area hip hip history.

[Raider 420]

Originally posted by heater
CMC! oh shit.. is that shit still on?
I hear it still is. I played hooky from work one day about a year and a half ago and caught it. They were playing the same videos MTV plays.
Originally posted by the pm
hip hop fridays
Please believe. I used to watch everyday of the week though so refresh my memory. Who hosted? Franzen & Trace or Chuey.. or both?

[heater]

im dating myself but how bout kmel dj Evan Luck?

[Dr. Kris Knacker]

Originally posted by Raider 420
I hear it still is. I played hooky from work one day about a year and a half ago and caught it. They were playing the same videos MTV plays.

Please believe. I used to watch everyday of the week though so refresh my memory. Who hosted? Franzen & Trace or Chuey.. or both?

they used to switch it up.....moslty was Franzen and Trace

its all Chuey nowadays........not.....that.....I.....play hooky or anything...........;)

[the pm]

even luck & theo used to run shit on kmel

and i fucked with cmc before it was chuy and franzen

andy kawonomi on hip hop fridays errraayy

[heater]

theo - damn thats way back - i forget his last name but it was something japanese i think- no home turf knowledge out here?

[the pm]

domonique slammin in those big ass tapes

[Raider 420]

Originally posted by the pm
i fucked with cmc before it was chuy and franzen

andy kawonomi on hip hop fridays errraayy
My viewing days only reach back to about '92.. a japanese host seems familiar but I can't jar my memory.

[heater]

cant forget about too big mc either

[crunkilate]

whtat y'all know bout mc pooh? fuckin wit dank is the cut. i cant think of a better song ever made by anyone. maybe smoke dope and rap by dre dog. another bay legend.

[_Unknown*]

yea i remember seein a tight ass show a few years back at a fraternity house at sdsu. some of the brothers were originally from the bay so they hooked up the show. nickatina and equipto ripped that shit. it was around the same time they dropped "midnight machine gun rhymes and alibis". that show was ill. we were supposed to get in for free but when we got there, my friend (who was in the frat) couldnt hook it up. so we climbed in through the laundry room window and got in for free anyways.

PEACE

[heater]

fucking wit dank, fuckin wit dank, fuckin with dank-
what year was that shit - i smoked many a joint and many a beedie to that cut -
he changed his name to pooh man and ended up in the clink for sticking up a liquor store in oakland - had beef with short too i believe

[the pm]

pooh robbed a walgreens

cant forget the classics "eatin pussy"
and "sex money and murder"

and pooh had a small role in menace II society

[Raider 420]

Originally posted by heater
fucking wit dank, fuckin wit dank, fuckin with dank..

w/ Ant Banks

I got it on repeat right now.

[the pm]

http://www.gwynjones.freeserve.co.uk/westside2000/poohmancover1.jpg http://www.gwynjones.freeserve.co.uk/westside2000/poohmancover2.jpg

[heater]

415's "sideshow" has to be a bay top ten selection too - richie rich waaay back.

pooh was with dangerous music with short and ant banks for a minute and then they had beef - correct me if im wrong

[heater]

pm you just took me back to high school - i havent seen that life as a criminal cover in a decade - my thanks -

its odd to think that pooh man, wherever the fuck hes at right now, is being discussed on an internet message board - beautiful-

[the pm]

Originally posted by heater
pooh was with dangerous music with short and ant banks for a minute and then they had beef - correct me if im wrong

yeah ant banks got on kmel and out of the blue started talkin
shit bout pooh........pooh was dropped from dangerous music
then made his diss record "bring it 2 em" on
http://www.gwynjones.freeserve.co.uk/westside2000/poohmancover5.jpg

then banks came back with a play on fuckin wit dank called fuckin wit banks

actually get in where you fit in & ant banks 2nd lp big bad ass
are full of lil shots at pooh

[the pm]

GET MY MONEY ON!

http://www.gwynjones.freeserve.co.uk/westside2000/rayluvcover3.jpg

SCANDLOUS
http://www.gwynjones.freeserve.co.uk/westside2000/impcover2.jpg

[heater]

to be honest i never felt that vallejo shit - e-40 deserves respect but the vibe was way different than the east bay shit out at the time

[bayluv415]

RBL Posse, "A lesson to be Learned"

[heater]

dont gimme no bammer weed...

didnt one of them die too?

[bayluv415]

Mac Dre has put out some of the dopest bay shit. Straight outta the V town

[bayluv415]

Two were murdered, theres only one left.

[bayluv415]

MR. CEE and Hitman i think

[heater]

you live in the b?

[bayluv415]

East Bay

[the pm]

Mr Cee and Hitman were both killed

and for the record ray luv isnt from vallejo

[heater]

where is he from? i thought he was part of the n2deep/sugat/e40 group

[evad]

i remember all them tapes.. I was never too big on that bay area gangsta shit, everyone on the block was tho.. they use to bitch up when i put my hiero tapes on, suckas.. cmc w/that asian dood, they occasionally played good shit, the box had the good shit tho.. and the old BET rap city..

[bayluv415]

Ray Luv is from the north bay, santa rosa i think

[heater]

hiero pretty much introduced conscious hip hop to the bay -before that it was all short type pimp gangsta shit or hammer pop - del was a goddamn pioneer - they need to erect a statue of that fool in downtown berkeley - digital underground helped the bay diversify too

[skibadee]

That dude from Kmel was Theo Misohara (sp?), with the super deep voice who was always trying to act really smooth but sounding like it was forced...

Tres Dog STILL does CMC, and STILL dresses and acts like it's 1993... funny shit.

Evan Luck, man thats a classic Love Lines name with the "Moments in Love" beat from Art of Noise... he was great though from what i can remember; that takes me waaay back to 5th grade. I don't know what he's up to, but I know Rick Chase passed away around a year ago.

The classic..., 415, MC Pooh, IMP Dogs, RBL... lovely, still have my original RBL, but sold the others like a dummy.. now i'm trying to find some of them on Ebay.

You can't forget shit like Askari X, anyone heard of The Product? (used to roll with RBL... had a dope song called "Bitches and Cops," and "you can't fade me"), Totally Insane, Dru Down, Spice 1 (used to slam 187 proof), Mishani... man, i'm sure there are a lot more I can't think of right now...

Anotha Level was funny... I think Pharcyde was on a few tracks, but they did completely bite a few styles. I think I might buy it again to see what kind of garb I was listening to. All I remember from that group was that they had two dudes in it, named Stix & Stones but neither of them ever rapped or anything. whatever.

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Heater, did you ever hear of the Bay Area Art Collective, a big group that came out of Berkeley/Oakland in about 1996 with tons of different MC's plus Dj Riddm? I'm curious to see if anyone remembers these cats...

lates

[twisted_harmonix]

Originally posted by heater
anyone remember mc pooh, 415, action packed gangstas, dangerous dame, father dom, anotha level, goldy, bad influenz or black dynasty? just curious. father dom and goldy were dope. also can't forget about shorty b.

[bayluv415]

Andre Nickatina and Mac Dre, at the Avalon Ballroom in SF, December 6th

[LBFam]

let me just say..anotha level was from los angeles, not the bay..ive known Stenge since i was in jr. high..and i wouldnt call them 'pharcyde biters'..as a matter of fact, they worked with the pharcyde on their first album(see: 'Phat-T')..they had a couple really good songs on their album 'on anotha level' but the majority of it was nothing too special..laylaw(from above the law) actually put them on..and cube signed on as 'executive producer'..which definitely helped them sell records..but 'whats that cha say' will always be the knock..regardless of how the rest of the album is..

[Ojay]

Originally posted by heater
to be honest i never felt that vallejo shit - e-40 deserves respect but the vibe was way different than the east bay shit out at the time

maybe geography has something to do with this. well.. at least you're not frontin like you're a mac dre fan.. cuz you know only folks from vallejo truly understand mac dre's music from an anthropological standpoint.. :rolleyes: ..just fuckin w/ya.

ray luv wasn't from vallejo.. he was from santa rosa.. he just happened to be on young black brotha records. and yeah.. like ^ he said.. anotha level from la...

you had to be feelin mac mall though. i like some of his shit better than e40's. Untouchable is a dope album.

anyone remember some folks off of sik-wid-it records? like celly cell and rythymX & the subliminal criminals?

[bayluv415]

CRESTSIDE

[bayluv415]

"Stop I can't take no more
Why is the police steady knocking at my door
24/7 the devils be trippin
They say some banks was robbed and I fit the discription"
-Mac Dre

[Ipatch]

Nobody remembers Capital Tax? They were tight, on some uptempo party shit. And they had a dancer in the crew named Loose Dookey- perhaps the best hip hop name ever.

APG were dope. I have the first LP on vinyl. It's unfortunate though- their best song by far was 12 Man Rambo, and they only put that on the cassette. Their first LP was THE shit around the Bay in '90 or so... they couldn't even keep up with the demand. If you didn't make it to the OLD Rasputins where that shoe store is now the very day they dropped off more tapes, you had to wait a while longer.

IMP had some dope shit early on too... Coug Nut wasn't bad and they had some slumpin beats.

You gotta love 415... Groupie Ass Bitch is an all-time classic. Life of a Criminal is the beat too... just dug it outta the old box of tapes a while ago and it still works for me.

And Hiero did NOT introduce conscious rap to the Bay. Too $hort did. Girl (That's Your Life) was way ahead of it's time, and he had a lot of other songs like City of Dope, The Ghetto, I Wanna Be Free, etc. that were on the conscious tip. He just didn't go out of his way to come off like that. Plus he could get his point across through his story telling skills instead of some in-your-grill preaching. It's a shame that so many people don't associate him with anything but his dirtier shit.

[heater]

i can see your point with too short but i think del did more to usher in a whole new approach to bay hip hop -- a style that valued lyrics and flow as much as the bump aspect - short did drop some thoughtful gems in his time and he is a certified legend - he was putting shit out in like 83 if im not mistaken. who can compare with that?

trivia question - apg stood for action packed gangstas but had another meaning as well - obscure but what the hell - you have that on vinyl? wow.

also-BUMs, brothas unda madness from the o too.

[eamon]

Originally posted by the pm
even luck & theo used to run shit on kmel

and i fucked with cmc before it was chuy and franzen

andy kawonomi on hip hop fridays errraayy

Haha hell yeah, andy kawanomi was tight he played the best shit and renel (i think thats her name) used to host it too on certain days i think she's on 98.1 now or some other station she's still around. Theo misahara something like that. I remember he went down to 92.3 beat in LA and I remember around that time he had like this little show on MTV over the summer.

Franzen's ass is out in Las Vegas now. Didn't they get kicked off because they were doin drugs or something like that in the studio?

The BUMS were tight too! Does anybody remember a song they used to play on CMC by this dude EL-Dogg and the song was about gettin' your sag on? and the hook was a snoop sample? maybe i'm the only one. Man I could go on for dayyyys!

[the pm]

Originally posted by eamon
[B]CMC by this dude EL-Dogg and the song was about gettin' your sag on? and the hook was a snoop sample? maybe i'm the only one[B]

hell yeah!

[janeLLe]

Originally posted by eamon
Franzen's ass is out in Las Vegas now. Didn't they get kicked off because they were doin drugs or something like that in the studio?

i remember the dark day on CMC when franzen was saying it was his last day and he never explained why.. it was all dramatic and emotional.... drugs huh? i guess that makes sense.

and yea Renel is everywhere... 98.1 (probably the most popular dj on that station), she does a morning tv show on KPIX, and shes the announcer at Pac Bell Park-the only female announcer in MLB. that girl keeps busy!

[Andross]

Originally posted by heater
im dating myself

http://www.scarleteen.com/boyfriend/images/jerk2.gif

[Ipatch]

Originally posted by heater
i can see your point with too short but i think del did more to usher in a whole new approach to bay hip hop -- a style that valued lyrics and flow as much as the bump aspect

also-BUMs, brothas unda madness from the o too.

Yeah I think too much has been made about Hiero's lyrics. People tried to classify them as a West Coast Native Tongues crew, but in retrospect they never really came like that. Almost all of their shit was either shit talking or just kinda silly, not very thought provoking. Those fools could always rhyme their asses off though. The flows on the Hiero Oldies tapes are just ridiculous. I do think they took MCing to new levels, and it's a shame that so much of the illest shit they did didn't make it out to the masses. Step To My Girl for example... sample clearance issues aside, there is NO WAY that gem should've only been dropped on some compilation cassette. I think they just got kind of a hippy/artsy reputation because their style contrasted so sharply with everything else coming out of the Bay back then.

The BUMS were cool, there was one song on their album I liked a lot... wouldn't call em "old school" though.

And fuck all the marks from KMEL, past and present. It was all about Bay COLLEGE radio. Sunday mornings on KALX, The Drum on KZSU, Sunday afternoons on KPOO, Spiderman on Mondays... definitely the biggest influences on me as a DJ. I was just reminiscing with my boy about that the other day. Still remember rolling up into the Oakland hills, finding a spot with good 90.1 reception and blazing sittin on the hood of my girl's car. Those were the fuckin days...

[A-O.N.E./A Dash]

yeah, i was just bumpin RBL's "Ruthless by Law" the other...

so many cuts on there:

Bounce to this
Blue Bird
I got my 9
MNOHP(morturary number on his pager)

[CYTO-P]

OKAY FIRST ANOTHA LEVEL IS FRUM LA NUFF SAID
AS FAR AS APG, ACTION PACKED GANGSTAS IS KNOWN AS THEIR BEST SONG
APG ALSO STOOD 4 APGAR WHICH IS BORDERLINE NORTH AND WEST OAKLAND SAAFIR IS SAID 2 HAVE WROTE ACTION PACKED GANGSTAS
KING SANN DID COME FRUM THE 3-8 BOYZ 4 APGs 2nd ALBUM OH AND IN CASE U DONT KNOW HEs FRUM THA WHORIDAS (SHOT CALLIN BIG BALLIN)
APG WAS VERY BIG 88 -89 MOST WENT 2 OAKLAND TECH OR MORE KNOWN THEN AS MURDER HIGH. THE EARLY GROUP WAS A TEAM THRE WAS
MELLOW MAR -N- J CUTT THERE WAS CCU COLD COMIN UP THERE WAS RED AND BUTCHEY WHO DID ACTION PACKED GANGSTAS THE SONG( BY THE WAY I THINK D LOC SOUNDED A BIT LIKE BUTCHEY PERSONALLY) AND THERE WAS KEN AND KEV KEN WAS KENNY HEN FRUM BUSHROD HIGH HOE OR DIE THEY WERE PRODUCED BY TAJ TURNTABLE T TILGMAN WHO GOES BY TAJ MAHAL ENGINEERIN 4 SHORT ACTUALLY HIS MAIN ENGINEER NOW.
AS 4 HIERO BEING THE FATHERS OF CONCIOUS RAP OR FLOW THATS NOT TRUE. I DO GIVE THEM CREDIT 4 BRING THE NATIVE TONGUE FLOW TO THE BAY THO. BUT LYRICALLY I COULD DROP 2 MANY NAMES BUT LETS START WIT DANGEROUS DAME , THE 1st TAPE WELCOME 2 OAKLAND SOUNDED LIKE YA BASIC EAST OAKLAND STYLE WHICH CAME FRUM SHORT BUT DAME WAS KNOWN B4 HIS TAPE HE USE 2 RHYME EVERY WHERE AND WAS REGUARDED BY MOST AT THAT TIME AS 1 OF THE BEST IN OAKLAND. THERE WAS DAVY DEF FRUM 98th WHO WAS A BATTLE MC. THERE WAS REGGIE REG ROK SKEETER FRUM HIGH ST. THERE WAS A GROUP CALLED ESO WHO RAN WIT MC TRACY WHO WAS LYRICAL THERE WAS STEP G THERE WAS RAP ATTACK WIT REGGIE REG AND MAGIC MIKE WHO DID THE 1st St. IDES BEER COMMERCIALS ON SOUL BEAT(B4 KING T AND POOH OR CUBE DID N.E. THING 4 St. IDES).THERE ALSO WAS CAPITAL TAX WHO HAD SHIT CRANKIN IN 88 AS WELL. IN WEST OAKLAND U HAD DJ DARRYL WHO WAS THE DOPEST DJ IN THE WEST AND ARGUABLY THE BEST DJ IN OAKLAND AT THAT TIME HE ALSO USE 2 RAP AS GRAND MASTER FRESH AND DID SHIT WIT THE ACORN CREW
HASAN AND PIG AND EVERY NOW AND THEN BUDDY BEAN THERE WAS A FEW OTHERS FROM THE WEST BUT DARRYL IS IMPORTANT 2 MENTION BCUZ HE DID 415 HE WAS THE DJ AND 1 OF THE BEAT MAKERS PLUS HE DID SHIT 4 PAC.
IN NORTH OAKLAND U HAD THE GREAT MAC MILL AND THE ARABIAN STYLE HON WUTON THERE WAS A BROTHER NAMED QUICK AKA MC QUICK. I ALSO HAVE 2 MENTION EMPEROR E BCUZ HE CAME UP WIT THE ARABIAN STYLE.
FATHER DOM WAS VERY LYRICAL AND INFLUENTIAL 2 OAKLAND AS WELL AS THE BAY WHEN HE 1st CAME OUT ON ICHIBAN DURIN THE SAME TIME AS MC BREED FRUM FLINT MICHIGAN DOM DID THE SLOPPY HIPHOP STYLE AS HE CALLED IT.
AS FAR AS MC POOH HE WAS POOH MAN B4 MC POOH AND HE DIDNT RAP HE WAS GRINDIN AND KNOWN 4 BEIN HARD. HES BEEN KNOWN, SINCE WHEN FILEX WAS STILL ALIVE B4 HE WAS RAPPIN PLUS MC ANT WHICH IS WHERE ANT BANKS MADE HIS DEBUT. HE WAS DOIN BEATS EVEN THEN. AS FAR AS VALLEJO THEY DESERVE ALOTTA PROPS AND RECOGNITION BUT I WOULD SAY MAC DRE MAC MALL E40 WERE THE KEY PLAYERS ALL THOUGH THERE WERE A LOT OF FRESH MCs WHO DIDNT REALLY GET KNOWN THAT MUCH LIKE BRUCE AND I THINK THE MACK WAS FRUM THERE ALSO OR RICHMOND.
I'M TRYIN 2 REMEMBER ALL THE ?s AND ANSWER ALL OF EM
OH ... HOME TURF WAS ON CHANNEL 4 WIT THE ROAD RAPPER AND LADY D
DOMINIQUE SHE WAS HELLA WEAK BUT SHE MOVED TO LA AND STARTED DOIN TV AND RADIO DOWN THERE BUT MIKE AND QBERT USE 2 DJ ON THAT SHOW.
AS FAR AS BAY AREA UNDERGROUND IT STARTED B4 HIERO WAS EVEN HIERO BACK B4 THEY WERE THE MADD CIRCLE(YEAH THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL MADD CIRCLE B4 WC AND COOLIO) THEY DUE DESERVE PROPS AND RESPECT THO, SO DONT GET IT TWISTED.OH YEAH CMC CAME ON CHANNEL26 OR CABLE 8 IT WAS ANDY THERE WAS CHUEY TRAY AND FRACINE ALSO SWAY AND THE BLACK GIRL FRUM THE REAL WORLD.
IF THERE ARE N.E. ?s POST EM AND I'LL TRY AND ANSWER WUT I CAN, BELIEVE ME I KNOW ALOT WHEN IT COMES 2 HIPHOP BUT ESPECIALLY THE BAY,
THOSE WHO UR A FAN OF, KNOW ME AND COULD VOUCH. AND LIKE ME OR NOT, NOT 2 MANY PEOPLE KNOW AS MUCH, OR MORE. AND I SAY THAT HUMBLY NOT TALKIN SHIT. IF UR CURIOUS I WONT MAKE FUN OF N.E.1 BCUZ I PERSONALY THINK KNOWLEDGE HELPS ALL AND I'M STILL A STUDENT AND ASK ?s 2 PEOPLE WHO KNOW MORE THAN ME.
PS MUCH RESPECT 2
NIC NAC,CASSADINE,KIMMIE FRESH, CINDY DOUGLASS,THE DANGER ZONE (THOSE GIRLS ON DONT FIGHT THE FEELIN) AND TREASURE MC ALL THESE FEMALES WERE DOPE RAPPERS AND DESERVE 2 B KNOWN CUZ THEY WERENT
COMMERCIAL THEY WERE HARD ASS FUCK.
SIDE NOTE NOT... DISSIN, BUT ANOTHA LEVEL DID SEEM LIKE A WANNA BE SOULS 2 ME BUT I DONT KNOW THEM AND MAY BE THEY DIDNT KNOW ABOUT SOULS, BUT... I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THEM IN THE GOOD LIFE DAYS AND A LOTTA LAs SCENE WAS THERE SO HELP ME OUT ON THAT 1. BCUZ U KNOW UR SHIT WHO SAID LAY LAW BROUGHT THEM OUT AND CUBE JUS EXECED THAT DEAL.

[heater]

cyto-p - impressive, ridiculous knowledge - lets co-write a book on the history of bay hip hop . i have an agent and a publisher and the whole nine. i can send you info if you have any interest.

[CYTO-P]

HIT ME ON THA EMAIL
BDOPESKILLS@HOTMAIL.COM

[Juggernaut]

has anyone ever heard of 4-play from vallejo? they weren't hella hella big but they where well known for being the first filipinos to bust when mutha fuckaz didn't even know what filipinos were.

[Boots]

Originally posted by heater
cyto-p - impressive, ridiculous knowledge - lets co-write a book on the history of bay hip hop . i have an agent and a publisher and the whole nine. i can send you info if you have any interest.

For real, I was too young to know about some of this shit, but I always study up on my hip hop.