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S...
02-05-2003, 01:51 PM
LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Angered at Pepsi for placing foul-mouthed Ozzy Osbourne in a Super Bowl commercial only months after yanking rapper Ludacris for his vulgar language, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons said Tuesday he will announce this weekend plans for a boycott against the soft-drink giant, accusing Pepsi of applying a double standard.

"The Hip-Hop Summit Action Network (HSAN) plans to announce and detail a proposed boycott of Pepsi during the NBA All-Star Weekend in Atlanta," a spokeswoman for Simmons and the non-profit hip-hop group he helped found, said.

"The boycott is being called in response to Pepsi dropping Ludacris as spokesman and subsequently picking up the Osbournes, who are no less vulgar," she added.

Simmons is credited with bringing hip-hop culture into the American mainstream over the past 20 years. He is also the founder of Def Jam Records, a unit of Vivendi Universal

A spokesman for PepsiCo, Inc., said the Ludacris controversy was an unfortunate experience.

"It was our mistake, we learned a lot from it and we've moved on," the spokesman said.

"We respect Russell's interest in bringing hip-hop talent to a larger audience and we have worked together to do just that," he added.

The controversy regarding the Ludacris spot dates back to a few months ago when conservative commentator Bill O'Reilly pointed out that the rapper was foul-mouthed, accused Pepsi of being "immoral," and urged a boycott.

Pepsi caved in to the pressure, yanking its 30-second television spot, stating it had received several consumer complaints about Ludacris' sexually explicit, profanity-laden song lyrics.

The spot itself, called "Party," was created and produced by UniWorld, and featured a party in full swing in a barn, with Ludacris onstage, rapping. The commercial did not contain any four-letter words.

O'Reilly, however, reportedly got a hold of Ludacris' lyrics from his song catalog. Those lyrics were laced with vulgarities.

Pepsi has a history of yanking controversial spots, such as one in 1989 with Madonna featuring her "Like a Prayer," a song which debuted at the same time as her video. The "Like a Prayer" video featured religious imagery that sparked consumer protests.

Simmons' move is strategically timed. By announcing the boycott of Pepsi in rival Coca-Cola's hometown of Atlanta, Georgia, during a star-studded and high-profile weekend featuring professional basketball's all-star game, fashion, parties and entertainment will get almost as much attention as the players themselves.

Rob Blow
02-05-2003, 02:03 PM
I heard an interview with Russel by local radio personallity in Dallas... and I could swear that I heard Simmons state that he was going to start his own bottling company. Has anyone else heard this?

hydrogen
02-05-2003, 04:27 PM
i would boycott pepsi, but i don't drink soda anymore so.....i would boycott for different reasons. pepsi = diabetes

watch out for high sugar intakes

Blue
02-06-2003, 08:14 AM
I dunno...I respect him (RS) and all, but sometimes he seems to be full of shit. Sure, Ozzy might be "foul-mouthed", but he doesn't degrade women or glorify violence in his music (I'm assuming Ludacris is like 99% of Top 40 rappers and does this in his music). It's a pretty weak comparison that Russell is making - sure, they're both "foul-mouthed", but that's where the similarities end. I don't think Pepsi pulled the ad because Luda swore on his albums, but because of the opinions on women/violence/etc expressed in his music (again, I'm assuming - I've never heard anything by him, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong). Should Pepsi have pulled the ad based on what Luda does outside of the ad? I dunno, but ultimately it's their choice, so whatever...

mf sw
02-06-2003, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Blue
I've never heard anything by him, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

youre wrong.

Dr. Kris Knacker
02-06-2003, 09:13 AM
I drink Vanilla Coke and Reg Coke anyway, so fukkit!

I am collecting the new Pepsi cans with the Superbowl stuff on them. I just got Joe Namath this morning! Fuck drinkin it, it looks cool in my cube!

Blue
02-06-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by mf sw
youre wrong.

Alright den...

Aschere Epsilon
02-06-2003, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Kris Knacker
I drink Vanilla Coke and Reg Coke anyway, so fukkit!

LOL!!!

S...
02-06-2003, 11:10 AM
Fuck soda in general. That shit is terrible for you.

Pandemonium
02-06-2003, 11:50 AM
I got this off the EB:
-------------------------------------
An Open Letter to Bill O'Reilly

Dear Mr. Bill O'Reilly

We need your help! You see you have been the most vocal voice on
issues dealing with the moral decadence of American society, and even
though you only seem to single out rappers and ignore any other genre that contributes to this erosion of "wholesome Americanism" we are going up against one of your formidable foes, Pepsi Co.

You see after you thrust them, along with yourself into the national spotlight by getting Ludacris dropped as a spokesmen for the company because he is "is demeaning just about everybody, and is peddling antisocial behavior" and becoming the new champion of the Christian Right, we figure who more befitting to spearhead the newest campaign targeting your arch nemesis Pepsi. You did say "we applaud Pepsi's decision but there's a bigger story here, and that is our growing trend in America to reward disgraceful behavior." Well, as they would
say in the "hood" that you claim to be so familiar with, I think
they're disrespecting your gangster son! They had the nerve to
feature Ozzy Osborne in their biggest advertisement campaign, during the Super Bowl of all "All American" spectacles.

Now, knowing how you feel about "gangster" rappers promoting wholesome
"All American" products like Pepsi, I know you must've blew your lid
when you heard Pepsi tapped the world's most famous Satanist to do
their biggest ad, right? I just know we can depend on you to ride on
this one. If you're not familiar with the tenets of Satanism let me
enlighten you bro, these dudes are into animal sacrifice and rampant
child abuse, worse than Catholic priests.

I know Ozzy wears a cross on his show but that's to throw you off
Bill, I really feel like this is the right one for you. His influence
over those children you always talk about saving is overwhelming.
They thrusted him and his dysfunctional family into TV history while
you were chasing Ludacris, Jay-Z and Snoop. Brilliant rating scheme
might I add, but this one should take you through the roof (Fox' top
rated show vs. MTV's top rated show). I know, I know they tried to
play the race card and talk about Britney when you attacked Luda, and
you said "I don't feel Britney Spears is a threat to the nation" but
you did call on ALL Americans "to fight back and punish Pepsi for
using a man who degrades women, who encourages substance abuse, and
does all the things that hurt particularly the poor in our society."
While you were talking about Ludacris then, who would've known that
argument applies to Ozzy now. I really feel this is the fight for
you.

By the way, are you familiar with Ozzy's lyrics? Let me fill you in
son. In 1981 he was talking about "wine is fine, but whiskey's
quicker/suicide is slow with liquor, Take a bottle drain your sorrows,
then it floods away tomorrow- "Suicide Solution". That same year he
made a song called "Mr. Crowley" in admiration for Aleister Crowley,
the world renowned occultist that many refer to as "Satan" and who
others called "the most wickedest man in the world".

He plead with the world this same year on an album entitled "Diary of
a Madman" , by telling us "I have a vision that I just can't control,
I feel I 've lost my spirit and sold my soul." Not a lot has changed
with Mr. Osborne, he came back in 2001 on an album called "Down to
Earth" on a track titled "Running Out Of Time" , and confessed, "I
haven't even got a soul to sell'. Whoa, that dude needs heavy
medication, maybe he shouldn't even be on MTV. What do you think,
since your thoughts seem to count so much?

I know this one will tick you off... it's called "Junkie" and it's
off the off of the same album: "You crave the needle to stick in your
vein, can't wait for the poison to kill all the pain. You buy a cheap
ticket to take a short ride, that beautiful flower is eating your
mind." I think we got him on that one, huh Bill?

Ludacris might blow some "sticky, icky, icky, icky" and Snoop might be
one with the "Chronic" but this dude [Ozzy]is clearly stoned on every
episode of his show... along with his underage children! You would
think you would be on the set picketing the joint! Mr. O'Reilly, I'm
very disappointed in you. You slipping dog. You don't have
preferences do you? Well, I have to question that, you did run Snoop
off of the Muppets but your very own network, Fox, gave him his start
on "King of the Hill", as a cartoon pimp! I know Mr. Murdoch is the
check signer and you're not trying to step on toes, but you gangster
dog, what up?

You also overlooked when someone from Osborne's ilk, Alice Cooper
(Kiss) was on the Muppets trying to convince those darling puppets to
sell their souls. You dismissed it on the grounds that Cooper had
clown make up so that makes it less severe than Snoop? Whoa, you is
slipping dog!... Wait a minute, it also says here that in 72' Cooper
dropped a joint called "School's Out", talking about; "School's out
for summer/School's out forever/My school's been blown to pieces". At
that time you were a high school teacher in Florida. And you remained
mute? Damn, dog and this was decades before Columbine! Then two
years later, Cooper records "Cold Ethyl" which goes, "Ethyl's frigid
as an Eskimo pie/She's cool in bed/Well she oughta be cuz Ethyl's
dead." And what do you say about this dude on your show? "I always
thought the guy could-write pretty good songs, you know (05/03/99)"

C'mon stop the b*llsh*t, you got a dude that simulated decapitations
on stage while performing, alongside a dude that bites bat heads off
on stage and you reserve this kind of language for Luda; a 'dangerous'
man whose message is "Look, be an outlaw. Take narcotics. Abuse
people. Punch people. Hurt people." Slow the f*ck down partner,
clearly you're barking up the wrong tree, I think I got the candidate
for your next circus, the motherf*cking OSBORNE'S, and until you find
some nuts to cut the double standard bullsh*t, then SHUT THE F*CK UP!
Oh yeah, I know he has friends in the White House, but with a
president so hell bent on going to war with people who've branded him
the "Great Satan", he makes you guys look pretty bad by openly calling
himself a "Devil", just thought you should know. Well, whenever
you're ready, we got your back. Now I want to see you get on your
moral high horse and ride on that!

Sincerely,
Paul Moreland
4K News Editor

hydrogen
02-06-2003, 12:27 PM
damn that was dope

Dr. Kris Knacker
02-06-2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Rob Blow
I heard an interview with Russel by local radio personallity in Dallas... and I could swear that I heard Simmons state that he was going to start his own bottling company. Has anyone else heard this?

would it be called DEF COLA?
But more importantly would it be available in 40oz????

amanda
02-06-2003, 04:58 PM
pepsi is dumb. it just shows how hiphop is still looked down on by old white men, like my grandpa. its like this aint the 1800's. its just a matter of our culture being accepted (that being hiphop)and it still hasnt been, which is fine with me, i like my hiphop on the under. but whatever drink some tea instead.

NoNeckJoe
02-06-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by hydrogen
i would boycott pepsi, but i don't drink soda anymore so.....i would boycott for different reasons. pepsi = diabetes

watch out for high sugar intakes

no doubt. my dad just got diagnosed with diabetes. he can't eat anything now. no bread, rice, pasta.........shit sucks for him.

but anyway, yeah, fuck soda. drink WATER. you will feel better.
plus coke, pepsi, etc is some evil shit.

Blue
02-07-2003, 07:04 AM
Yeah, just use coke to remove oil stains from your garage - don't pour that shit down your throat though. I heard they actually use to use coke to clean the engines of the coke delivery trucks! Shit is caustic!

S...
02-07-2003, 07:06 AM
You can use Coke to clean the terminals on your car battery! In fact, i did it just last week (my shit wasn't starting, i had to replace a relay and get new terminal clamps...booo)..... the acid in the coke pulls the carbon buildup off the battery.... what? Thats NASTY!

Fuck that. I'll stick to water, juice and tea.

Ojay
02-07-2003, 07:48 AM
I had that attitude when I was around your age.. give it a few more years.. you'll eventually crack.. Coke tastes good! Especially with some salty-ass fries and a fat greasy burger.

Dr. Kris Knacker
02-07-2003, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by Ojay revilO
I had that attitude when I was around your age.. give it a few more years.. you'll eventually crack.. Coke tastes good! Especially with some salty-ass fries and a fat greasy burger.

AAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahaha! He said your age! ahahahahahahahahahahaha, too fuckin funny! Amen bruddah, I aint gonna lie, VANILLA COKE AND COKE RULE!!!! JACK AND COKE, mmmmmmmm! I drink soda like a mutha fucka! I quit smoking almost 4 weeks ago, so its all I got!

Age, hahahahahahahahahahah!

S...
02-07-2003, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Kris Knacker
AAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahaha! He said your age! ahahahahahahahahahahaha, too fuckin funny! Amen bruddah, I aint gonna lie, VANILLA COKE AND COKE RULE!!!! JACK AND COKE, mmmmmmmm! I drink soda like a mutha fucka! I quit smoking almost 4 weeks ago, so its all I got!

Age, hahahahahahahahahahah!

Settle down, rhonda. It wasn't that funny.

Coke is narsty. Blech. I'll never drink that shit.

Dr. Kris Knacker
02-07-2003, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by S...
Settle down, rhonda. It wasn't that funny.

Coke is narsty. Blech. I'll never drink that shit.

uh, yeah, it was that funny, I actually laughed out loud! Rhonda? hmmm, ok, well,....umm.........i see,..............wow, ya got me genius! That makes as much sence as this!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid50/pe966668f0ba485d65e5e54b6a0040489/fcaef0c0.gif

S...
02-07-2003, 08:14 AM
Okay guy. Whatever you say.

Your mom should have swallowed you.

Dr. Kris Knacker
02-07-2003, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by S...
Okay guy. Whatever you say.

Your mom should have swallowed you.

And your daddy shouda wiped you off on a sock!

S...
02-07-2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Kris Knacker
And your daddy shouda wiped you off on a sock!

Well, at least our feelings are mutual, my friend!

Dr. Kris Knacker
02-07-2003, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by S...
Well, at least our feelings are mutual, my friend!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid50/pc52cb8f8abce178b61fa2a995cc78acb/fcaf1509.jpg

Ojay
02-07-2003, 08:50 AM
now now children.. i was just being real.. not trying to be funny.. all I know is COKE RULES! what i meant to say was "more than a couple of years ago, I didn't drink a lot of soda for health reasons..." now, i give a fuck. I DO THOUGH! I say eat, drink, and smoke whatchyalike. Don't be a slave to corporate America, but also don't be a slave to your own fears.. we're all gonna die someday. Enjoy Coca-Cola.

S...
02-07-2003, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Ojay revilO
we're all gonna die someday. Enjoy Coca-Cola.

You sooner than i apparently. My body is my temple. I choose to watch what i eat, drink and consume, not because i'm afraid of anything, but because i enjoy feeling healthy, and if i do live a long life, i want to do it on my feet, not hooked up to hella machines, eating thru a fucking tube and shit.

I have no desire to smoke cig's or eat empty fastfood. If i did, i would. So it's not like i'm depriving myself of anything, that shit is nasty to me.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's almost lunch time and i need to make like Hayman and burn down some forests.

janeLLe
02-07-2003, 09:13 AM
i don't really understand that... u won't smoke cigs cuz ur body is ur temple & that shit is nasty to you, but u'll smoke trees? doesn't make sense to me.

S...
02-07-2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by janeLLe
i don't really understand that... u won't smoke cigs cuz ur body is ur temple & that shit is nasty to you, but u'll smoke trees? doesn't make sense to me.

And it shouldn't make sense. It's extremely hippocritical, i just enjoy smoking tree's. It's the one thing i really do to negate the rest of my habits. But like i said, i won't deprive myself of things that i enjoy, and smoking bud is one of those things. Cig's are gross to me. Weed is not. Flawed logic? Yes.

Ojay
02-07-2003, 09:29 AM
honestly, if i could keep one "bad?" habit, it'd be smoking weed.. but i'm a hog.. and no, I won't necessarily die earlier than anyone because of those habits.. mind over matter.. it's not just an expression. but you are right about feeling healthy and being conscious of what you consume.. that's always smart. i don't know if i'll be hooked up to some machine or not in the future, but I have a feeling that I'll live to be an extremely old man.. my nurse says i have 9 lives and my doctor said I was probably a prophet or some shit.. but yeah, whether I get really sick and live the rest of my life in pain or not, I will always accept responsibility for my actions and behavior and the way i live my life.. the only way for someone like me to really learn something is the hard way.

S...
02-07-2003, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by Ojay revilO
honestly, if i could keep one "bad?" habit, it'd be smoking weed.. but i'm a hog.. and no, I won't necessarily die earlier than anyone because of those habits.. mind over matter.. it's not just an expression. but you are right about feeling healthy and being conscious of what you consume.. that's always smart. i don't know if i'll be hooked up to some machine or not in the future, but I have a feeling that I'll live to be an extremely old man.. my nurse says i have 9 lives and my doctor said I was probably a prophet or some shit.. but yeah, whether I get really sick and live the rest of my life in pain or not, I will always accept responsibility for my actions and behavior and the way i live my life.. the only way for someone like me to really learn something is the hard way.

Well there you go. To each his own.
Don't get me wrong though, my statement wasn't an assumption about you inparticular, just a generalization.

In either case, both of our legs will last forever. What! Bionic brethren!

Dr. Kris Knacker
02-07-2003, 09:53 AM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid50/pa78931cecd9c7d2dc32550f603ab05d0/fcacecc6.gif
Coke and Pepsi make The Hulk constapated.

Ojay
02-07-2003, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by S...
Well there you go. To each his own.
Don't get me wrong though, my statement wasn't an assumption about you inparticular, just a generalization.

In either case, both of our legs will last forever. What! Bionic brethren! http://www.myboot.com/images/bionicman.gif