classic...

[Blame One]

someone may have posted this already but its worthy of two anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS8mcuc84qc

[RickyRaw]

im on some stolen wifi right now so i cant check it but if this that song with primo, rakim and krs and more, its really on point. great concept for a song. people need to link stuff up like this more often.

[Cuba Gorilla]

Very dope... At first glance, looking at the MCs on the song, I didn't think Kanye could hold himself up to them... but he actually did pretty well.

[WhALE]

nice. hiphops getting took back. thank fuck.

MIKE JONES! what the fuck is that?

[tgone]

this is hot.

Blame, good looking out.

the way hip hop should be, and nothing less.

[tgone]

Very dope... At first glance, looking at the MCs on the song, I didn't think Kanye could hold himself up to them... but he actually did pretty well.

word...I was pleasantly surprised.

[Fullmetal]

Well, I guess I'm going to rain on the praise parade. Beat was kinda average (just not my style). They should have let Kanye do it.

I know they were going for the classic "boom bap", but I mean Damn. I seriously think Premier has been remixing the same 5 beats for 10 years now.

So stuck in his time period.

Aside from that, Rakim does his usual "you new cats should respect me" type verse (which is kinda hot) and Nas has a good verse too. I always enjoy Kanye, and the teacher.. well.. teaches?(it was just ok, as he always seems to be pushing an agenda))

This kind of track is for people that wish this was still 1994.

I know Premier is a legend and all, and people got mad at me for the same comment earlier, but imo, legend status shouldn't give you an automatic pass to be average, especially on a track like "Classic".

[tgone]

Well, I guess I'm going to rain on the praise parade. Beat was kinda average (just not my style). They should have let Kanye do it.

I know they were going for the classic "boom bap", but I mean Damn. I seriously think Premier has been remixing the same 5 beats for 10 years now.

So stuck in his time period.

Aside from that, Rakim does his usual "you new cats should respect me" type verse (which is kinda hot) and Nas has a good verse too. I always enjoy Kanye, and the teacher.. well.. teaches?(it was just ok, as he always seems to be pushing an agenda))

This kind of track is for people that wish this was still 1994.

I know Premier is a legend and all, and people got mad at me for the same comment earlier, but imo, legend status shouldn't give you an automatic pass to be average, especially on a track like "Classic".

I couldn't disagree with you more...

KRS, Rakim and Premo are staying true by keeping with their style. What do you want them to do, sacrifice their originality and ethics so that they can sound like today's hip hop? To please kids who don't know the history? Should KRS have to do a track with Jay-Z to stay relevant?

Nah, these guys should do what's real to them and young men like us should show utmost respect. Guys like Guru, KRS, CL and Rakim gave the youth something that they could use (as opposed to 90% of hip hop today). They uplifted an entire generation with their positive messages. They are teachers, unlike most of the clowns we see on BET today.

Critics can chop this up all they want. This track doesn't contain the most groundbreaking lyrical material, but it's still dope. It's a collaboration, celebration, history lesson -- get it?

[Fullmetal]

I couldn't disagree with you more...

KRS, Rakim and Premo are staying true by keeping with their style. What do you want them to do, sacrifice their originality and ethics so that they can sound like today's hip hop? Should KRS get some gold chains and do a track with Lil Wayne?

Nah. These guys should do what's real to them. And young men like us should give utmost respect. These guys uplifted a generation with their positive messages. Guys like Guru, KRS and Rakim gave the youth something that they could use (as opposed to 90% of hip hop today). It's not just about lyrical style and finesse, these guys are political and spiritual.

Critics can chop this up all they want. This track doesn't contain the most groundbreaking lyrical material, but it's still dope. I'd rather listen to this than 90% of what's out today - even if Rakim sounds the same as he did 10 years ago. Shit is bumping, I could play basketball, paint, dance, chill, drink to this.

Oh, you read me wrong. My opinion was a split. From "aside from that" was me praising the track (until the end paragraph). Above that, was my gripe with it. I feel you though. It takes some people back to a time they like. What's the word?...

Oh yeah, Nostalgia. It all depends on exactly what you want out of your music. If you achieve that, that's all that matters, right?

Sidenote: Premier hates Jay-Z. Thus, the reason he couldn't get called on.

[highlife]

very dope! it's nice to see a quality video go along with this track. thanks for sharing, blame!

[RickyRaw]

I think kanye's verse was good for him but definitely did not stand out except his last couple lines.




Sidenote: Premier hates Jay-Z. Thus, the reason he couldn't get called on.

??
i am not doubting this statement but i would love to read more info about this. i mean, primo has done beats for all of Jay's albums if im not mistaken. either way i dont think jay would have fit on this beat.. but then again i dont really think kanye fit on it either. i mean, he did aiiiiight, but the other 3 are such influential writers and lets face facts, kanye would never be recognized as a writer/rapper without his production.. none the less this track is off the chain and there should be more songs like it.

oh yea, and the beat was exactly what i would expect from all the classic heads on the track.. (everyone but kanye) yea kanye could have killed the beat BUT primo is that "classic" producer and he did come with his "classic" sound. i think a kanye beat would have made it less "classic" and more 2007. maybe i am the guy who wishes is 94 again.. haha.

[Lon`]

yeah, really like that track

[Fullmetal]

Sidenote: Premier hates Jay-Z. Thus, the reason he couldn't get called on.

Oh, I thought everyone knew about that. Some people take it differently, but I take this statement seriously.

Some time ago, Premier referred to that Nas was an "MC", and Jay-Z was a "rapper".

That the most disrespect you can ever tell a lyricist. What makes Nas an "MC" to you all of a sudden? I seriously think, that no matter how dope he laid it out, it was Jay-Z's content that made him say that. It lowered my respect level for Premo a bit. You think he'd appreciate it for what he is...

Being that he had average-ass Guru the whole time with Gangstarr.

Knowhatimean?

[tgone]

Being that he had average-ass Guru the whole time with Gangstarr.


First you say Family Guy is better than The Simpsons, now this?

[Fullmetal]

First you say Family Guy is better than The Simpsons, now this?

I KNOW you're not implying that Guru was some kind of mind blowing lyricist.(he, like all Mc's, had his moments, though)

Please tell me you're not.

Gangstarr= Old School Mobb Deep.

Premos beats > Guru's rhymes.

Havocs beats > Prodigy's rhymes.

[Lon`]

I actually agree. Guru is alright, but has never blown me away with anything. That last album they did (gangstarr) was pretty good, but I remember the features, PREMO, (HINEY), and very little of guru. :/

that's assuming that was the last album they did

oh, and I like gangstarr, too.

ohx2, family guy IS better than the simpsons. :)

[Blame One]

timeless, so age dont count in the booth
when your flow stays submerged in the fountain of youth.

[tgone]

I KNOW you're not implying that Guru was some kind of mind blowing lyricist.(he, like all Mc's, had his moments, though)

Please tell me you're not.

Gangstarr= Old School Mobb Deep.

Premos beats > Guru's rhymes.

Havocs beats > Prodigy's rhymes.

Guru, old Mobb, Premo, KRS, Rakim -- all dope in my book and I don't care how they rank next to each other.

Guru's talent lies in his message and realness....not his amazing lyrical ability. Go back and listen to his words, the actual sentences, that is your homework assignment.

Different MC's are good for different things. Guru is a teacher...not just an entertainer. Kids these days don't appreciate teachers, they just want the entertainment. Fast paced, fast food culture.

I'm the type of guy that would rather listen to a semi-mediocre MC that is saying something, rather than a flamboyant MC who is saying nothing. Maybe I'm just growing up.

Listening to "Royalty" right now.

[Fullmetal]

yada...

Guru, old Mobb, Premo, KRS, Rakim -- all dope in my book and I don't care how they rank next to each other.

Guru's talent lies in his message and realness....not his amazing lyrical ability. I thought everyone knew that. Go back and listen to his words, the actual sentences, that is your homework assignment.

Different MC's are good for different things. Guru is a teacher...not just an entertainer.

Can I listen to Kool G Rap instead? :( Guru will literally put me to sleep.

[tgone]

Can I listen to Kool G Rap instead? :( Guru will literally put me to sleep.

why because he's more gangsta?

Guru can be boring sometimes. but i think you're missing my point. you have to appreciate him for what he's good at - which is teaching and spreading the message of consciousness. that's what Guru is all about...just like KRS.

[Tek3030]

That vid is dope. My only problem is Kanye east. Dude is wack as fuck. I can't beleive he got these legends up on his shit. (I do admit he held his own on this one, besides the point tho)

I would love to see an album from preemo, KRS, Kakim and shit.

And of coarse these dudes should stay true to what they do.

Gangstarr-Moment of Truth is the last album for gangstarr as far as I am concerned. All others since have sucked ass.
















As I read my essay

[Fullmetal]

why because he's more gangsta?

Guru can be boring sometimes. but i think you're missing my point. you have to appreciate him for what he's good at - which is teaching and spreading the message of consciousness. that's what Guru is all about...just like KRS.

Well, can I listen to his Second Coming, (which is Common)? Instead? Lol

j/k.
:D

[RickyRaw]

I'm the type of guy that would rather listen to a semi-mediocre MC that is saying something, rather than a flamboyant MC who is saying nothing. Maybe I'm just growing up.
.

i approve this statement.. heh

[Ipatch]

Guru's talent lies in his message and realness....not his amazing lyrical ability. Go back and listen to his words, the actual sentences, that is your homework assignment.

Different MC's are good for different things. Guru is a teacher...not just an entertainer. Kids these days don't appreciate teachers, they just want the entertainment. Fast paced, fast food culture.


I'm not much of a Guru fan at all... from what I've seen and heard from him the past few years even if he had a "message" I couldn't take it seriously. Dude has one of the most over-sized egos in the rap game, and that's saying alot.

I'm not sure what he's taught anybody, other than how to take Premo for granted...

[Fullmetal]

I'm not much of a Guru fan at all... from what I've seen and heard from him the past few years even if he had a "message" I couldn't take it seriously. Dude has one of the most over-sized egos in the rap game, and that's saying alot.

I'm not sure what he's taught anybody, other than how to take Premo for granted...


ROFLMFAOINFROHBO.

[tgone]

I'm not much of a Guru fan at all... from what I've seen and heard from him the past few years even if he had a "message" I couldn't take it seriously. Dude has one of the most over-sized egos in the rap game, and that's saying alot.

I'm not sure what he's taught anybody, other than how to take Premo for granted...

strong words...

I never really thought Guru had an over-sized ego. Ever been to NYC or Boston? A lot of people have that attitude out there. It's a lot different from SF...

[Blame One]

back when i was a heavy graff writer, I was already bumpin Manifest and just to get a rep and when I heard daily operation it was over. At that time, daily operation was a "what the fuck!!" album. Cats were buggin how dope that shit was. The monotone flow with the illy beats and chops (which 99% of cats didnt even know what a chop was in 93) and the scratch chorus with different cuts for every bar (which cats were not doin at that time) was extremely original. Damn, it seems like cats cant even get the props due anymore. Im not saying lyrically guru is the illest but c'mon.. dude has a large collection of above average joints... damn. Even if lately your not feelin him because he is not with premo, you wouldnt be feelin him now even if he was with premo.. right? So why were so many heads feelin him with premo back in the day. Are you saying premo picked a half emcee to form a legendary group with? Im sure he knows better than that.

[Fullmetal]

back when i was a heavy graff writer, I was already bumpin Manifest and just to get a rep and when I heard daily operation it was over. At that time, daily operation was a "what the fuck!!" album. Cats were buggin how dope that shit was. The monotone flow with the illy beats and chops (which 99% of cats didnt even know what a chop was in 93) and the scratch chorus with different cuts for every bar (which cats were not doin at that time) was extremely original. Damn, it seems like cats cant even get the props due anymore. Im not saying lyrically guru is the illest but c'mon.. dude has a large collection of above average joints... damn. Even if lately your not feelin him because he is not with premo, you wouldnt be feelin him now even if he was with premo.. right? So why were so many heads feelin him with premo back in the day. Are you saying premo picked a half emcee to form a legendary group with? Im sure he knows better than that.

Times it's happened before:

UGK Pimp C? Wtmf
Mobb Deep Prodigy? Yuck.

(personal ones)
Little Brother- Big Pooh? Nooo.

[tgone]

back when i was a heavy graff writer, I was already bumpin Manifest and just to get a rep and when I heard daily operation it was over. At that time, daily operation was a "what the fuck!!" album. Cats were buggin how dope that shit was. The monotone flow with the illy beats and chops (which 99% of cats didnt even know what a chop was in 93) and the scratch chorus with different cuts for every bar (which cats were not doin at that time) was extremely original. Damn, it seems like cats cant even get the props due anymore. Im not saying lyrically guru is the illest but c'mon.. dude has a large collection of above average joints... damn. Even if lately your not feelin him because he is not with premo, you wouldnt be feelin him now even if he was with premo.. right? So why were so many heads feelin him with premo back in the day. Are you saying premo picked a half emcee to form a legendary group with? Im sure he knows better than that.

word.

it's one thing to dislike Guru's voice/lyrical style but to discredit him and not give props? unbelievable.

[tgone]

Times it's happened before:

UGK Pimp C? Wtmf
Mobb Deep Prodigy? Yuck.

(personal ones)
Little Brother- Big Pooh? Nooo.

Pimp C and Guru don't even belong in the same sentence.

You gotta be kiddin me.

[Fullmetal]

Pimp C and Guru don't even belong in the same sentence.

You gotta be kiddin me.

Just offering examples of when one person carries the other.:cool:

[nick.in.oside]

so we have established.......


A) dope video. nice to see rhyming and the actual effort and art of putting a song together (even if it was to sell shoes) given some time to shine rather than some dudes in front of a green screen pretending to drive the rental car.

B) dope song. I didnt really understand the pairing of kanye with these guys either. but I guess if one was to lump a "commercial" (read..successful) artist that has emerged in a new era, but had some roots in the DIY method that the rest of the artists on the song had, Kanye fits. albeit a tad awkward. Kinda like most of his rhymes.;)

C) Fullmetal has no sense of history and what came before him.

[Fullmetal]

so we have established.......


C) Fullmetal has no sense of history and what came before him.

That's some of you guys' problem. You're so hell bent on blindly respecting/praising history, that you can't stand back and look at it objectively.

Just because of who someone is doesn't give them a pass to be subpar. It also doesn't keep them invincible from judgement.

So if Rakims verse was wack, you'd just respect it to respect it?

That's ridiculous.

On another note. It's what thing to respect history, it's another to be stuck in it.

[nick.in.oside]

That's some of you guys' problem. You're so hell bent on blindly respecting/praising history, that you can't stand back and look at it objectively.

Just because of who someone is doesn't give them a pass to be subpar. It also doesn't keep them invincible from judgement.
On another note. It's what thing to respect history, it's another to be stuck in it.


no. but to deny their impact at the time of their arrival/prime isn't really fair. Hip Hop would not be what it is today without these people. All of the artists on that song are pretty much,in their prime or at their arrival, the epitome and personification of their era (with the arguable exception of Kanye. We haven't had enough time to gauge his influence. But one could say with some certainty, that it will largely be on production, rather than rhyming that his influence will be measured).

It's silly to assume that everything they touched was golden. All of them had a height that they never really achieved again after peaking. But isn't that inevitable? Rappers, and musicians on the whole, pretty much have to die in their prime to be restrained from putting out sub-par material. You really think BIG would have kept putting out records that are as highly regarded as those he completed had he not died? Jimi Hendrix? Jim Morrison for christ sake. If he didn't die we'd all be laughing at him. I digress. end rant.

[Lon`]

there are three kinds of people:

1) the person who's stuck on the past and afraid or skeptical about moving forward

2) the person who doesn't care about the past and is always looking for new stuff to appease their obsessive state

3) the person that doesn't care about either of the previous two, and just does him/herself


oh, and the biggest promotion any artist could ask for is death. I agree with that part

[Fullmetal]

I didn't deny them anything. I just critiqued the track. It's not perfect, imo, but that seems to be the equivalent of saying "I don't respect them, or what they did for Hip-Hop"

But dude.. Guru WAS an average MC with stellar production.

[Blame One]

I didn't deny them anything. I just critiqued the track. It's not perfect, imo, but that seems to be the equivalent of saying "I don't respect them, or what they did for Hip-Hop"

But dude.. Guru WAS an average MC with stellar production.

Just about every emcee (I dont even call these cats emcess) out right now is not even average. Guru is above average. I guess cats think fergie is killin shit (with her jj fad bite that she made millions off of) and that chamillionaire is the don? Mutha fuckas have nothing to choose from nowadays cuz cats even on the radio and MTV only play like 40 songs total in a day. Imagine how many artist that are out there in this day and age. Commercial/Underground ... I could give a fuck about either.. they are both wack for the most part. But the thing is.. back in the days, both had an equal chance as far as airplay was concerned (because not everyone tried to rhyme.. yes.. people were actually just fans back then... new concept right??). Now your brainwashed with what is "hard" and "unity" is some pussy shit. For the record, I love Zulu nation but if you disrespect me, I will bust your ass even if your whole clan is around... especially lyrically. Ive gotten jumped because cats said I was saying written rhymes before.. when I was kickin freestyles the whole time. Thats how wack fools are nowadays.

[Marklar]

words i manifest is one of the first songs i ever heard and owned on tape... it was on some other shit when all i was hearing on the radio as an 11 year old white kid in the burbs was tone loc and young mc... mass appeal still gets my head nodding and my car stereo bumping to this day. i probably owe more to gang starr than i can even imagine as far as getting into hip hop. guru is legit.

p.s. what ever happened to that mega mix-you were making fullmetal?

[Fullmetal]

words i manifest is one of the first songs i ever heard and owned on tape... it was on some other shit when all i was hearing on the radio as an 11 year old white kid in the burbs was tone loc and young mc... mass appeal still gets my head nodding and my car stereo bumping to this day. i probably owe more to gang starr than i can even imagine as far as getting into hip hop. guru is legit.

p.s. what ever happened to that mega mix-you were making fullmetal?

10 songs from being done. I might have to request the assistance of you guys for it;s completion for the songs I can't locate.

Once it's done, I'll send the link to you guys email,being that Access informed me I can't post it here.

[Mike Castillo]

I think nowadays, only about 10-15% of albums that drop come even close to classic status, and that's being generous. MCs that basically laid the foundation for hip hop, their albums are classic because they're simply the manual for real hip hop. 10 years from now are you gonna be bumpin' an album like "Food & Liquor" for example. Probably not. But I guarantee you, you could go throw on some early Eric B. & Rakim and still have the feeling that you had when you first heard it. To clarify, Gangstarr albums have always been hot. To say that Guru took Primo for granted, is like saying George Bush is a great president (fuckin stupid). Record sales don't mean shit if you're album's garbage, meaning most artists that have gone platinum in the last few year pretty much are usually whored by the labels to get sales. Fans are too damn picky today to just enjoy music. When hip hop started is was all about just having fun and doing you're thing. Now if you're not bending over and taking it for your fans you're considered wack...fuuuuuuck that. Fans have always been critics, but it's just bad now that no one seems to actually enjoy any fucking music at all.

[Marklar]

while we're on the topic:
words i manifest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qin_VO94pdY)
mass appeal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXyFZkU9bkQ)

aww it brings me back

"So I'ma end this lecture and I betcha
Those who kick dirt in due time I'm gonna get cha"

[Fullmetal]

Food And Liquor is going to be bumped for an eternity! An Eternity I tell you!:D
No, seriously, I'll be banging that album until I fade.

But yeah, guess I fall in the category. I just can't listen to anything anymore, because I have a systematic basis of rating. It's like... listening to tryin to listen to Guru... but you can't, because there's a better version of Guru to listen to, and his name is Common.

Enh, I just hold standards for the music I'm passionate about . Especially when it's being done by "legends".

Is it wrong to expect mind-blowing content?

It's like waiting for Dre's fairytale Detox. If it isn't his greatest body of work, ever, then wtf?

[Marklar]

there's a better version of Guru to listen to, and his name is Common.whoa buddy.

[Fullmetal]

Lemme rephrase that. Guru 2.0 = Common Sense. :D

[Ipatch]

back when i was a heavy graff writer, I was already bumpin Manifest and just to get a rep and when I heard daily operation it was over. At that time, daily operation was a "what the fuck!!" album. Cats were buggin how dope that shit was. The monotone flow with the illy beats and chops (which 99% of cats didnt even know what a chop was in 93) and the scratch chorus with different cuts for every bar (which cats were not doin at that time) was extremely original. Damn, it seems like cats cant even get the props due anymore. Im not saying lyrically guru is the illest but c'mon.. dude has a large collection of above average joints... damn. Even if lately your not feelin him because he is not with premo, you wouldnt be feelin him now even if he was with premo.. right?

Right... I didn't even bother picking up the last Gangstarr album.

I would never even imply that Guru hasn't made classic records. But for me he's right there with KRS and ?uest as people who's words and actions have turned me off to their music somewhat, and I think everybody here would agree that Guru is less talented than those other dudes.

My only point was that Guru isn't a "teacher"... most people I would consider a teacher aren't in public coked out.

Blame even in your defense of Guru you're talking more about the production he rhymed over. If Guru and Premo were never in a group together, Premo would be just as acclaimed but the other side of the coin would be Gu-who?

And Mike, Guru pretty much said straight up that he wanted to ditch Premo when he broke up Gangstarr... please explain to me how that isn't taking him for granted.

[nick.in.oside]

Lemme rephrase that. Guru 2.0 = Common Sense. :D

i still don't get that

[Mike Castillo]

It's like waiting for Dre's fairytale Detox. If it isn't his greatest body of work, ever, then wtf?

OK, are people brain-dead. Everyone swears that it's been forever. The Chronic dropped in 1992. 2001 dropped in obviously 2001. A 9 year wait. So now Dre gets knocked by everyone and their mom because he hasnt dropped an album in 6 years? Get the fuck out of here.

[Blame One]

Right... I didn't even bother picking up the last Gangstarr album.

I would never even imply that Guru hasn't made classic records. But for me he's right there with KRS and ?uest as people who's words and actions have turned me off to their music somewhat, and I think everybody here would agree that Guru is less talented than those other dudes.

My only point was that Guru isn't a "teacher"... most people I would consider a teacher aren't in public coked out.

Blame even in your defense of Guru you're talking more about the production he rhymed over. If Guru and Premo were never in a group together, Premo would be just as acclaimed but the other side of the coin would be Gu-who?

And Mike, Guru pretty much said straight up that he wanted to ditch Premo when he broke up Gangstarr... please explain to me how that isn't taking him for granted.


yeah, I tend go a bit overboard with my point pretty often. Im just passionate about my craft. Guru even admitted in interviews that he had drug problems and was sober now. I still if you listen to cuts like manifest or a ton of others he comes off ill.

[_Unknown*]

2001 dropped in obviously 2001.

2000.....


but i completely agree. read the "detox" thread.

[Fullmetal]

i still don't get that

You don't think that Common is a better, more lyrically teaching version of Guru?
I do.

The same way I found Big Punisher to be a puerto rican, double time Kool G Rap

And Jay- to be a smooth combination of Slick Rick and Big Daddy Kane

Get what Im saying now?

And I hold steadfast to my Detox hopes. If it isn't classic, I'm sending him hate mail. I can't be the only one waiting for a miracle.

[nick.in.oside]

You don't think that Common is a better, more lyrically teaching version of Guru?
I do.

no. I don't really see the similarity.

are you implying content? or style?

[eamon]

OK, are people brain-dead. Everyone swears that it's been forever. The Chronic dropped in 1992. 2001 dropped in obviously 2001. A 9 year wait. So now Dre gets knocked by everyone and their mom because he hasnt dropped an album in 6 years? Get the fuck out of here.

what about this album? Came out in '96..does everyone forget about this? and Chronic 2001 came out in 99

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000001Y1B.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[_Unknown*]

^^^
that was more of a compilation (hence "dr dre presents...") ... kinda like that album diddy put out after biggie died...



either way, they both sucked.

[tgone]

Right... I didn't even bother picking up the last Gangstarr album.

I would never even imply that Guru hasn't made classic records. But for me he's right there with KRS and ?uest as people who's words and actions have turned me off to their music somewhat, and I think everybody here would agree that Guru is less talented than those other dudes.

My only point was that Guru isn't a "teacher"... most people I would consider a teacher aren't in public coked out.

Blame even in your defense of Guru you're talking more about the production he rhymed over. If Guru and Premo were never in a group together, Premo would be just as acclaimed but the other side of the coin would be Gu-who?

And Mike, Guru pretty much said straight up that he wanted to ditch Premo when he broke up Gangstarr... please explain to me how that isn't taking him for granted.

I didn't mean he was a professor or a spiritual leader when I said he was a "teacher". People teach me lessons every day. They aren't all perfect people...

Listen to the content of the old Gang Starr albums and early Guru solo albums. There was a positive message and attempt to uplift. To me that's teaching, because MCs have an impact on listeners.

Guru may have problems -- I have no idea. He's probably made a lot of mistakes like most people. I guarantee quite a few of your musical heroes have had more than one problem.

[tgone]

I feel what Patch is saying though...

I can't support someone if they have personally done me wrong (even if they are praised by everyone). I've met well-known people who I respected at one point, but that all changed after seeing them in person.

[Lon`]

lol at a comparison between common and guru. there isn't one. there is no way I'd rather listen to guru WITH PREMO before common, even if he was rapping over broken twigs snapping off beat. just my preference though

and for the record, I WILL be bumping food and liquor for a long time. anybody who doesn't see that album as a classic needs to reexamine themselves

thanks, autographs later

[Fullmetal]

lol at a comparison between common and guru. there isn't one. there is no way I'd rather listen to guru WITH PREMO before common, even if he was rapping over broken twigs snapping off beat. just my preference though

and for the record, I WILL be bumping food and liquor for a long time. anybody who doesn't see that album as a classic needs to reexamine themselves

thanks, autographs later

JUST MIGHT BEEEE OKAAYYYYY!:cool: ROFLMAO.

[mf sw]

Daily Op and Hard to Earn are classics. Thasall I know....

[J-a-z]

I think it's dope to see and hear Rakim, KRS and Nas with DJ Premier again but it's not Preem's greatest moment, not only that, the Carl Douglas sample was first used by Craig Mack in 2001 for "Da New Rap Langauge", but the one thing that stops me from listening to this regularyl is that swollen headed,preppy boy,over rated hypocrite.

[Tek3030]

I seriously thought I was the only kanye hater. Can't beleive what I'm reading. This is awsome. Never met or seen Kanye bashing by anyone.

[aueu]

kanye came weakest no doubt.

that was fucking fresh though, so glad to see that. rakim is so dope, i wish he got a second verse. and KRS's was a little short too but i cant complain... this is the biggest song (for me) in a while.

you can barely tell they are sellin shoes

[aueu]

Well, I guess I'm going to rain on the praise parade. Beat was kinda average (just not my style). They should have let Kanye do it.

I know they were going for the classic "boom bap", but I mean Damn. I seriously think Premier has been remixing the same 5 beats for 10 years now.

So stuck in his time period.

Aside from that, Rakim does his usual "you new cats should respect me" type verse (which is kinda hot) and Nas has a good verse too. I always enjoy Kanye, and the teacher.. well.. teaches?(it was just ok, as he always seems to be pushing an agenda))

This kind of track is for people that wish this was still 1994.

I know Premier is a legend and all, and people got mad at me for the same comment earlier, but imo, legend status shouldn't give you an automatic pass to be average, especially on a track like "Classic".

i am pretty sure i disagree with everything you said.

[Fullmetal]

I swear, underground heads hate Kanye, Mainstream heads hate Kanye, all because he isn't what they think he should be, or act how they think he should act.

He can do what he wants. His music is still better than 85% of the competition.
Even if it wasn't. He can still do what he wants. He's being true to himself, not anyone else. I respect that.:)

Kanye for President.

[Lon`]

yup, except the president part

[_Unknown*]

i dont like kanye as a person (for his attitude and they things he does).

but i love his music. he makes great beats and is an above average writer. he gets a thumbs-up from me.

[eamon]

On the flip side of things...if you were the owner/chef wouldn't you do it? That's easy money and a free trip to NYC for the hell of it.

Wasteful and stupid on Kanye's part...I mean I feel like a lot of the food would lose it's integrity during the travel time, especially the fried foods...but whatever.

Kanye is off the hook some/most of the times, but I think part of it is a show and I think sometimes he's misunderstood and the rest of the time he's just being a cocky/pompous dude...his overconsumption or splurging on stupid things like this is also part of being american (on a much larger scale, but still)

[tgone]

I swear, underground heads hate Kanye, Mainstream heads hate Kanye, all because he isn't what they think he should be, or act how they think he should act.

He can do what he wants. His music is still better than 85% of the competition.
Even if it wasn't. He can still do what he wants. He's being true to himself, not anyone else. I respect that.:)

Kanye for President.

With you on that...I'm not a fan of everything he does but at least he's doing his own thing. People complain about him...but at least he's offering something different in an industry that is 95% crap. I'd rather hear Kanye on the radio than most other mainstream cats...

[Ojay]

You don't think that Common is a better, more lyrically teaching version of Guru?
I do.

The same way I found Big Punisher to be a puerto rican, double time Kool G Rap

And Jay- to be a smooth combination of Slick Rick and Big Daddy Kane

Get what Im saying now?


Yeah.. kinda like how Lupe Fiasco sounds like the bastard child of Jay-Z and Kanye West.

[Blame One]

i dont like kanye as a person (for his attitude and they things he does).

but i love his music. he makes great beats and is an above average writer. he gets a thumbs-up from me.

co sign.

[pwc]

The Video Is Exactly What It's Called
Fullmetal Please Do The Knowledge
Guru Sounding Like Common? Hhhmmmmm, Guru Is East, Common Isn't, You Can Hear That Easy, And Voices, Waaaaay Different, Jazzmatazz Was Great! All Installments, Guru Is On Some Other Shit, Primo Owes Guru As Much As Guru Owes Primo, Nothing, Kanye Is A Bridge Builder, Thank You Kanye, You Hating On Guru Is Similar To A Jimi Hendrix Fan Hating On Bob Dylan, It's Different Leagues, Hating On Prodigy Too!? Yeah Lately He Been Saying Some Silly Shit, But C'mon Now Prodigy Rips It, Since He Was Like 2
Guru For President
Blame For Vice President
Mobb Deep For Secret Service
PWC For Dj
Buck! Buck!

[Fullmetal]

Yeah.. kinda like how Lupe Fiasco sounds like the bastard child of Jay-Z and Kanye West.

BAM:D

[DJ ADA]

I think Kayne's sped up vocal loops are, in the words of the DEL

wack as fuck. especially when used as FORMULA. but that's me.

I like

to
slow things
down

[nick.in.oside]

Yeah.. kinda like how Lupe Fiasco sounds like the bastard child of Jay-Z and Kanye West.

ha! it literally sounds like he's repeating jay's lines on some of his tracks (Just Might Be OK)

[pwc]

how bout pointing out what yall like, yall sound like FOX NEWS...........

[Lon`]

it's okay if you can't understand what lupe says. set the shit on repeat a couple times
the dude doesn't sound like anything out

[pwc]

then you aint on GURU's level

[nick.in.oside]

it's okay if you can't understand what lupe says. set the shit on repeat a couple times
the dude doesn't sound like anything out


I'm not saying i dislike him. Oddly enough i really liked his stuff that I downloaded so i grabbed his album. I liked it. 1st and 15s got some nice production as well. But, after listening to eat repeatedly, i came to like him a little less. The initial feeling dwindled (no homo) and i'm kinda just ho-hum about him now.


...and influences are cool. one part of that song just particularly stands out as a bastardized Jigga line


shake the snakes
pimp the system
let's get into it

Tabernacle


i don't know.

[Fullmetal]

I'm not saying i dislike him. Oddly enough i really liked his stuff that I downloaded so i grabbed his album. I liked it. 1st and 15s got some nice production as well. But, after listening to eat repeatedly, i came to like him a little less. The initial feeling dwindled (no homo) and i'm kinda just ho-hum about him now.


...and influences are cool. one part of that song just particularly stands out as a bastardized Jigga line


shake the snakes
pimp the system
let's get into it

Tabernacle


i don't know.


You have to list the line before it to understand it. He'd been saying "Chuuuch" the whole song, so for the end end of this line he said "Tabernacle" -aka Church.

[nick.in.oside]

You have to list the line before it to understand it. He'd been saying "Chuuuch" the whole song, so for the end end of this line he said "Tabernacle" -aka Church.


i understand the reference.
temptation, apple, shuuch, Tabernacle snakes....i get it.

it's the last couple lines in Just might Be OK. The delivery just reeks of Jay.

[highlife]

Guru's Jazzmatazz with Genius of Soul and DJ Sachamo april 16 @ belly up! (http://www.bellyup.com/audiocal.php) might have to check this out.

[Lon`]

I see. Well, when I first heard his stuff before his album... I was like... "meh, he's okay"

His album let me know he was for real.

I don't know... maybe he had a couple lines that sounded like someone else... I guess everyone does here or there


I'm not saying i dislike him. Oddly enough i really liked his stuff that I downloaded so i grabbed his album. I liked it. 1st and 15s got some nice production as well. But, after listening to eat repeatedly, i came to like him a little less. The initial feeling dwindled (no homo) and i'm kinda just ho-hum about him now.


...and influences are cool. one part of that song just particularly stands out as a bastardized Jigga line


shake the snakes
pimp the system
let's get into it

Tabernacle


i don't know.