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UG Fiend

01-29-2007, 10:04 AM

Phonte has an ego like Sean Price. Pooh has always been his inferior, and Im sure 9th just got tired of carrying around all that dead weight. He ALWAYS brings it when it comes to the beats. Im happy he gets a chance to give other people those beats.

Im willing to bet that Phonte goes solo though, and leaves Pooh in the dust.

I respectfully disagree. Not the part about his ego (cannot be determined by the information given) but he does have some nice, underrated mic skills. He's got some nice lines on the Listening as well as the Nicolay and Murs tracks. 9th is real nice, but I wouldn't consider him carrying "dead weight".

I will however say that one 9th track on a Little Brother album is not real Little Brother.

The question remains who contributes beats for a Phonte solo LP?

Orbt1

01-29-2007, 10:08 AM

"First, I want to say that Little Brother has not been dropped from
Atlantic," Rapper Pooh told HipHopGame. "At this time we are in the
process of negotiating our release from the label due to a difference in
philosophies."

"We asked to be released," Manager Big Dho added. "I think we may just
put the album out on Asylum to close our deal, but it's definitely a
wrap for us at Atlantic. We weren't happy with how things were going and
we decided we wanted to leave and on their end, they decided that they
didn't want to deal with that either."

"It's no big deal though," Dho added. "Nobody on our end is mad or has
any ill feelings towards their company."

"It wasn't a situation where they decided to drop us due to lack of
sales," Pooh said. "If that was the case, they never would have opened
up the budget for us to record Getback ."

Getback, Little Brother's third album, is close to completion but has no
release date yet.

"We as a group just felt that it was not in our best interest to remain
in a situation where our needs were constantly being overlooked. We
didn't have an A&R for The Minstrel Show. We don't have any type of
relationship with our current A&R. There are just a lot of internal
issues that ended up working against us."

Pooh also addressed the rumors regarding producer 9th Wonder's
involvement, or lack thereof, in Little Brother's Getback. "Little
Brother has decided, in the best interest of the group, for Little
Brother and 9th Wonder to part ways. There are no hard feelings and no
beef. This is just a decision that had to be made so all three of us
could move forward and continue to provide the world with dope music.

Little Brother's latest mixtape, And Justus For All, mixed by DJ Mick
Boogie, will be available for download February 13. "The decision to
release And Justus For All via download was a decision made by us. After
the Drama situation, we felt it was in the best interest of all of us to
just give this mixtape away with the current climate of the mixtape
scene."

And Justus For All will be available for download February 13. More
details on where to download it will be given closer to the release
date.

complete

01-29-2007, 10:11 AM

i could picture a phonte / primo connect. that would be heatish.

anyone with some boom bap

twisted_harmonix

01-29-2007, 10:49 AM

thats dissapointing but at the same time its probably best. if 9th stayed, he'd still sell off his dope beats to the highest bidder and LB would get the leftovers... which would probably be mediocre at best and would still cost a grip. since everything is ultimately run by big corporations, it creates a separation between what sells big and what doesn't... bottom line is that 9th is no longer underground, whether he likes it or not.

but LB has gained a lot of recognition and should have no problem finding sick beats that fit them well. they may do solo joints but i doubt they would ever split permanently.

Cuba Gorilla

01-29-2007, 12:35 PM

The question remains who contributes beats for a Phonte solo LP?

Just getting beats from Khrysis and Nicolay (especially, Nicolay) alone would suffice.

twisted_harmonix

01-29-2007, 02:50 PM

^word.

people put way to much emphasis on beats these days. with all the hype on who produced what and this and that, and everyone and their grandma making beats, its getting out of hand and shit is becoming way too overproduced. not sayin that 9th is guilty of this but i just wonder what ever happened to a straight up simple, ill, funky beat. they're gone. now sometimes you can barely concentrate on what the emcee is saying with all the noise behind it... (they probably do that for a reason tho, cuz they usually aint sayin shit). you got some producers pushin a beat out every 5 minutes and getting top dollar and others working days or weeks on a beat and struggling to make it. beats are overhyped and repeated. keep it simple yet maintain originality and creativity. thats my thought.

Nasty

01-29-2007, 02:59 PM

Bavgate.

Holleration Station

01-29-2007, 03:11 PM

^^^who does the beats?

eamon

01-29-2007, 03:37 PM

if 9th stayed, he'd still sell off his dope beats to the highest bidder and LB would get the leftovers

How do you figure? I don't know him personally, but he doesn't seem like that kind of a dude. I'm pretty sure he put LB first, but who knows. He did get a lot of shine for being a "beatmaker" in the group, but I had read an article where he said that Phonte was basically the leader of the group. I think they are struggling with staying underground/crossing over. On one hand they want to keep their underground roots and on another hand they want to blow and get paid, not on some lets do what the fuck ever to get paid, but more like lets get some bigger names behind the boards so we can live a little bit more comfortably (which isn't selling out to me)

... which would probably be mediocre at best and would still cost a grip. I don't think 9th charge LB for beats

bottom line is that 9th is no longer underground, whether he likes it or not.

What is he then? cuz he's not "pop", yes, I know he's had some radio play (destiny's child) but he's far from being a household name like pharrell, kanye, even just blaze

Fullmetal

01-29-2007, 04:09 PM

Dude.. T-Harm. You listen to those wack Bavgate beats. In my opinion, production is the make or break it point of all music. Your lyrics can be molten lava, but if the beat is absolute trash, your point will almost never get across.

On the other hand, good production does give Mc's a pass to be wack for no reason sometimes. It's a double edged sword. 9th wonder should be free, and let Phonte just do his solo thang, and Pooh fade into obscurity. If he can remake anything like Foreign Exchange, he may make a classic. (phonte that is)

Pooh will soon be on that Milk Carton in the magazine (WHERE IS)

twisted_harmonix

01-29-2007, 04:55 PM

Dude.. T-Harm. You listen to those wack Bavgate beats. In my opinion, production is the make or break it point of all music. Your lyrics can be molten lava, but if the beat is absolute trash, your point will almost never get across.

rap starting with emceeing, a cornerstone of hiphop. there were no mpc's. there was beat poets, then beatboxing and cyphers you fucking moron. simplicity. a lot can be said for that. bavgate would bust a cap in lupe faster than you could say fiasco.

twisted_harmonix

01-29-2007, 05:00 PM

What is he then? cuz he's not "pop", yes, I know he's had some radio play (destiny's child) but he's far from being a household name like pharrell, kanye, even just blaze

nah he isn't pop but he's popped his head up from the underground. theres tons of folks that know his name but still dont know where he came from. LB is still there, but 9th has come up. no he's not a household name but he's gettin there.

I don't think 9th charge LB for beats

nope but the label execs gotta do some kind of budgeting and allocation of funds. no freebies on a major, no matter who you are.

Cuba Gorilla

01-29-2007, 05:46 PM

nah he isn't pop but he's popped his head up from the underground. theres tons of folks that know his name but still dont know where he came from. LB is still there, but 9th has come up. no he's not a household name but he's gettin there.

True dat. I was at a house party a couple of weekends ago, and was randomly talking about beats to some cat who hard heard of 9th Wonder (from Murs 3:16 and Murray's Revenge), but never heard of Little Brother until I brought it up.

Besides, Little Brother is just undergoing a transformation like Gravediggaz when production switched to RZA, and like with Slum Village, when J Dilla stopped being the man behind the boards.

Cuba Gorilla

01-29-2007, 05:48 PM

No matter, though, the Justus League is fucking phenomenal. They've got some very talented MCs (Phonte, Kaze, L.E.G.A.C.Y.) and having 9th Wonder, Khrysis, and Nicolay handle most of the production... yaya.

P.O.V.

01-29-2007, 06:50 PM

Cuba Gorilla

01-29-2007, 07:06 PM

Personally think its ridiculous the way some people are predicting Big Pooh fading into obscurity and writing him off as an MC.. Poohs nice to me.. aint as lyrically potent as Phonte or as versatile with delivery.. but he makes for a good MC imo and his solo wasn't at all dissappointing..

Big Pooh is going to become like the 10-odd other MCs that are part of the Justus League; he's part of the super-group, but no one really cares about him. For real, when you think of MCs from that huge group, Phonte is really the only one that anyone really cares about. So without Little Brother for Big Pooh to ride the coat tails on, he's probably going to fade away.

Lon`

01-29-2007, 10:20 PM

old news... Phonte said in his redbull academy interview that they were going to lean on a lot of different production for many obvious reasons, but that 9th would get his spots on the album. this will PROBABLY be their last album with atlantic

I think we all know that 9th is one dimensional, and most his beats sound the same (hot, but still). it's good for the group that they're stepping out a bit. it's funny how phonte said that they'd catch a lot of heat for it

phonte is cold... one of my top 5 mc's, and 9th is well, 9th. on the low, pooh aint really half bad

ayo, i heard big puff got dropped from soundclick yo

Fullmetal

01-30-2007, 05:28 AM

rap starting with emceeing, a cornerstone of hiphop. there were no mpc's. there was beat poets, then beatboxing and cyphers you fucking moron. simplicity. a lot can be said for that. bavgate would bust a cap in lupe faster than you could say fiasco.

You are gayest internet thug I have ever seen... with some of the worst musical taste. Get off my dick and go get stupid doo doo dumb hyphy you gh3y b33zy.

Big Pooh is 10 times a better rapper than Bavgate. They'll BOTH be on the Missing Rapper Milk Cartoon soon though.

Ipatch

01-30-2007, 07:59 AM

people put way to much emphasis on beats these days. with all the hype on who produced what and this and that, and everyone and their grandma making beats, its getting out of hand and shit is becoming way too overproduced. not sayin that 9th is guilty of this but i just wonder what ever happened to a straight up simple, ill, funky beat. they're gone. now sometimes you can barely concentrate on what the emcee is saying with all the noise behind it... (they probably do that for a reason tho, cuz they usually aint sayin shit). you got some producers pushin a beat out every 5 minutes and getting top dollar and others working days or weeks on a beat and struggling to make it. beats are overhyped and repeated. keep it simple yet maintain originality and creativity. thats my thought.

That makes no sense to me... how you gonna say production is over-emphasized but then dictate precisely what you want to hear in a beat? If you don't like today's sound that's one thing, but I don't get how you can stress production so hard and then say people make too big a deal about it. :confused:

And from what I heard, LB got first dibs on 9th's beats. It sounded like it on The Minstrel Show too, the beats were alot better than wht I was hearing 9th do for other artists around that time.

Nasty

01-30-2007, 08:10 AM

T-Harmz musical opinions are like _________. < fill in the blank.

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 08:29 AM

You are gayest internet thug I have ever seen... with some of the worst musical taste. Get off my dick and go get stupid doo doo dumb hyphy you gh3y b33zy.

Big Pooh is 10 times a better rapper than Bavgate. They'll BOTH be on the Missing Rapper Milk Cartoon soon though.

umad??? the bricks got you down? i put you in your place and all you can come back with is the played out "off my dick" cliche? you're a joke.
fullmetalfaggot, you claim to know your shit but you're more clueless than the white rapper contestants. go bump some more young geezy/joc and come back when you have something to say.

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 08:36 AM

That makes no sense to me... how you gonna say production is over-emphasized but then dictate precisely what you want to hear in a beat? If you don't like today's sound that's one thing, but I don't get how you can stress production so hard and then say people make too big a deal about it. :confused:

And from what I heard, LB got first dibs on 9th's beats. It sounded like it on The Minstrel Show too, the beats were alot better than wht I was hearing 9th do for other artists around that time.

patch dont get me wrong, if its done well then i'm for it. but i hear so much garbage from producers that just dont have the ear and they put layer upon layer of noise.

and NEVER did i "dictate precisely what i want to hear in a beat"... i just said keep it simple yet creative. it doesn't have to be all the time, just switch it up sometimes and give the emcee the spotlight.

the pm

01-30-2007, 09:14 AM

damn...there is so many misconceptions on how the "industry" runs.

if anything this will hurt 9th more than lb
because lb stock has already fallen
so they can only do better from here

Fullmetal

01-30-2007, 11:21 AM

umad??? the bricks got you down? i put you in your place and all you can come back with is the played out "off my dick" cliche? you're a joke.
fullmetalfaggot, you claim to know your shit but you're more clueless than the white rapper contestants. go bump some more young geezy/joc and come back when you have something to say.

This, coming from the man who advocated Bavgate being played on the radio.

Honestly, T-Harm, since I've been here, I've realized something. You're a complete moron. You disregard what everyone else has to say, just to preach your Hyphy-fied garbage. You get told this on a daily basis.

If you think I listen to Young Jeezy, or Joc of all people, then you're just reaching, or haven't really been paying much attention (wouldn't surprise me) You're probably just some sad kid in his mothers basement, blasting crap music, wondering why noone ever agrees with what you say.

To call me clueless is like the Federation calling Wu-Tang wack- It doesn't make any damned sense. I do like how you try to "flex" your internet muscle though, kid. You and Dumb C should start a club for yourselves.

Fuck outta here you clown.

dooz

01-30-2007, 11:29 AM

Lon`

01-30-2007, 11:38 AM

yup, people want diversity these days.

phonte said it best though..

"one day they given me the thumbs up, the next
they going an' tellin' 9th to switch his drums up, the best
is what anybody expects, so why they dont let the music be what it is
is anybody's guess, so uhhh..."

the pm

01-30-2007, 12:16 PM

PM, so you are saying that LBs stock has fallen but 9ths hasnt, due to his production on outside work? If he was uneffected by the falling of LB, can't be uneffected by the split and actually benefit by not having to split his time/music with a group whose stock has already fallen? I just listen to hiphop and I'm not really up on the values or stocks of artists in relation to others. You wouldn't trade your 9th for my phonte

I like 9th and I like Phonte and Pooh but something about them together I don't like. Listening was good, Minstrel Show had its moments, but I think whoever said that LB would benefit from varied production, at least for an album.

I would say from the listening 9th went on to do god's stepson
that got him over even more. he went on to do a record for jay z
then did the murs shit. he then became "9th Wonder". where as
after the listeing lb did the chitlin circuit followed up with 1.5 then
the menstral show or whatever it was. nothing they droped was equal
to the listening, not bad but just not equal. the chemistry of 9th wonder
tay & pooh is what made the listening memorable. that is what was lacking
with the 2nd album.

9th had his run.

lb's chemistry with 9th ran its course and
they need to evolve as a group. letting 9th
go is a good move if it will help them make
better busic as song writers.

and artist for artist
phonte > 9th wonder

time will prove this correct

Fullmetal

01-30-2007, 12:22 PM

artist for artist
phonte > 9th wonder

time will prove this correct

WHHHHAAAA?... In 2 years, noone will know who Phonte is. 9th Wonder may go down as one of the best of this era. (imo, anyway.)

Lon`

01-30-2007, 12:28 PM

i'm completely disagree with you. I think phonte is WAYYYY more well rounded as an artist than 9th. Don't get me wrong... I love both of their music, but phonte can do it all whilte 9th can't even step out of the vocal sample game. As to where pete and dilla could step away from it. See it how you see it, but 9th is dope at what he does, and so is phonte, but they will both succeed.

They're way too talented not to...

and I just NOW read this http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=1510

boooo, even though some was mentioned earlier

the pm

01-30-2007, 12:52 PM

and I just NOW read this http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=1510

boooo, even though some was mentioned earlier

well i think that is kinda what started the whole discussion

Nasty

01-30-2007, 12:59 PM

At first I didnt but now I really like the Mintrel Show.

Destroy

01-30-2007, 01:16 PM

I honestly think 9th wonder is the most interesting thing about LB for me. Big Pooh is not very good at all, and Phonte, while has his moments, is not one of the dopest out like some people claim. Although I have never bought an LB record, so 9th not being on it wont change much for me, I won't exactly be checking for that "Getback" or whatever its called

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 01:58 PM

This, coming from the man who advocated Bavgate being played on the radio.

Honestly, T-Harm, since I've been here, I've realized something. You're a complete moron. You disregard what everyone else has to say, just to preach your Hyphy-fied garbage. You get told this on a daily basis.

If you think I listen to Young Jeezy, or Joc of all people, then you're just reaching, or haven't really been paying much attention (wouldn't surprise me) You're probably just some sad kid in his mothers basement, blasting crap music, wondering why noone ever agrees with what you say.

To call me clueless is like the Federation calling Wu-Tang wack- It doesn't make any damned sense. I do like how you try to "flex" your internet muscle though, kid. You and Dumb C should start a club for yourselves.

Fuck outta here you clown.
umad???
you're so far off with your little tirades.

i wont bother dignifying all that gibberish with any more of a response than the following:

lady sovereign

thank you and have a great day.

Destroy

01-30-2007, 02:38 PM

umad???
you're so far off with your little tirades.

i wont bother dignifying all that gibberish with any more of a response than the following:

lady sovereign

thank you and have a great day.

which brings to light a new discussion....

ladv sov vs. bavgate?????????

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 02:48 PM

which brings to light a new discussion....

ladv sov vs. bavgate?????????

actually from what i hear lady sov has been strapped for cash lately, it seems jigga has left her with a raw deal and she has had to resort to other means to maintain her hiphop lifestyle, word on the streets is that she's been turning tricks for bavgate and the whole thizz camp runnin a train on her. so yeah i think that answers the question.

eamon

01-30-2007, 03:41 PM

^^^Grow up...you sound like a 6th grader

Holleration Station

01-30-2007, 03:47 PM

how old is tharmz anyway?

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 03:49 PM

^^^Grow up...you sound like a 6th grader

get a sense of humor ya fuckin prick.

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 03:50 PM

how old is tharmz anyway?

26.
c011@!!!!

complete

01-30-2007, 04:31 PM

actually from what i hear lady sov has been strapped for cash lately, it seems jigga has left her with a raw deal and she has had to resort to other means to maintain her hiphop lifestyle, word on the streets is that she's been turning tricks for bavgate and the whole thizz camp runnin a train on her. so yeah i think that answers the question.

dude i honestly try to stay out of all the ghey name calling and shit...

but you sir are a kook. youre probably one of the white boys in the club with youre matching purple bape hoody and shoes with a grill throwing up a "T". fake ass 40 dollar grill and fake ass 40 dollar chain. youre an embarassment to anyone who appreciates the shit and dont jock it. i love mac dre and some of the thizz kids, but that dont mean i run around tryin to act and talk like em.

all in all, throughout your posts, i feel embarassed for you. like, i get the goosebumbs for how embarrassed you make me feel for reading it for you, if that makes sense.

i like hyphy shit, and for the record, bavgate is garbage.

i jsut hope youre tryin to stir shit up and not be serious.

end.

on a aside note: whats up with these kids in the club that wear tha same outfits all the time. its like "mutahfucka buy some clothes, jsut cause you got three 500 outfits dont make you bossy"

cdirty

01-30-2007, 04:33 PM

stop checkin out the dudes bro.

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 04:48 PM

complete

01-30-2007, 05:20 PM

hahaa....
now complete gives me a whole novel too. wow yall really care huh?

of course i say shit for laughs. isn't that what the internet is for? yall are either in a bad mood or just take shit way too seriously.

and bavgate would slap the shit out of you for saying that.

pretty much that charcacter i described is a real life guy. and god damn it irritates that shit out of me. i cant not notice it.

but anyways i could honestly care less but i just wanted to clarify i always figured you werent serious

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 05:25 PM

pretty much that charcacter i described is a real life guy. and god damn it irritates that shit out of me. i cant not notice it.

but anyways i could honestly care less but i just wanted to clarify i always figured you werent serious

hahaa, yeah if someone said the shit i say sometimes and said it seriously, it would bug me too... but i thought it was always known by folks here that 90% of my posts have at least a little sarcasm in them. gotta find a way to put the :rolleyes: in my sig.

but *threadjack* -- complete you been boarding yet this year? i have yet to go but i'm dyin to.

eamon

01-30-2007, 05:29 PM

and bavgate would slap the shit out of you for saying that.

AWESOME!!!

no, I really could care less...I was just making a statement..simple as that.

Don't blow it out of proportion and get delusions of granduer to where u think everyone on the board is so engrossed about you and your Thizzness, trust me..no one cares about how thizz or hyphy u are or how Bavgate would slap us or Lupe...

Now.....

Thizz face :mad:
Thizz face :mad:

Lemme see ya show ya grill :D
Lemme see ya show ya grill :D

ahhhhhhhhhh no http://www.accesshiphop.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 05:29 PM

T-Harmz musical opinions are like mine.

:)

twisted_harmonix

01-30-2007, 05:34 PM

bla bla bla

still looking for his 6th sense.
sense of humor.

guess our buddy eams hasn't found it yet.

yes, when i say bav will bust a cap in lupe or whatever the fuck... yes... in fact... its true, its jokes.
is that permitted?

jeeeezus.

Cuba Gorilla

01-30-2007, 06:23 PM

I like you, Twisted Harmonix.

But I'm afraid I'm more "into" Fullmetal. That's my homey right there.

(jesus christ this turned into a gay post)

eamon

01-30-2007, 07:45 PM

^^^Gayest thing ever said

Cuba Gorilla

01-30-2007, 08:04 PM

^^^Gayest thing ever said

The gayest thing ever said, anywhere.

Fullmetal

01-30-2007, 08:06 PM

The gayest thing ever said, anywhere.

Dude. You's mah nigga. (N/y/I have no idea homo)

_Unknown*

02-05-2007, 10:26 PM

i was gonna start a new thread until i saw this one...

The Little Brother Breakup
By: Alexander Fruchter
Published: Jan. 30, 2007 - Chicago, IL

When Little Brother started to make headway in the late 1990's, their sound was fueled by the vintage drums of 9th Wonder. The combination of 9th's beats, and Phonte's and Big Pooh's rhymes made the perfect match, and Little Brother became an underground favorite with enough potential to crossover into radio.

News came yesterday that 9th Wonder has left the group. While this causes disappointment, and a bit of uncertainty, it should not shock anyone. Little Brother has criss-crossed the country on multiple tours without 9th Wonder behind the decks, causing fans to wonder about his absence and sometimes forget he is in the group. Similarly, 9th's status as a producer has grown tremendously, making it almost impossible and unrealistic that he can devote so much time to one group. Lastly, Little Brother's major label debut, The Minstrel Show was critically acclaimed, yet sales-wise a disappointment. They are frustrated with their label situation, and that frustration may have also contributed to this split.

Phonte, Big Pooh, and 9th Wonder all maintain that the split is amicable, and there is no reason to doubt that. Both camps are moving forward. Little Brother will soon be releasing Get Back, their new album, which is said to only contain one 9th Wonder Beat. Meanwhile, 9th is at work on various projects, and in the midst of building his True School Movement.

The separation of DJs and Emcees, Producers and rappers, singers and musicians is not new to Hip Hop or any other genre. Only time will tell if Little Brother and 9th Wonder will be as successful separately as they were together.