subtle - for hero for fool

[Hacksaw Jim]

one of those albums, for me, that gets better every time i listen, and it's dopeness shows no sign of ever stopping.

[WesSezSo]

Yessss!
This is a great album...probably the best one so far...congrats to Subtle and the upcoming tour with TV on the Radio. Looks like I won't be seeing them at the tiny bars/clubs no mo. :(

[cycledelikwon]

Jel's beats are insane on this one
it's definetly on another level
the three album concept is bad ass (#3 to go)
this is their best effort
all ready got my ticket for the TVOTR & Subtle show
it's gonna kick

[KBW]

one of those albums, for me, that gets better every time i listen, and it's dopeness shows no sign of ever stopping.
Zionism

[cycledelikwon]

Tha fuck down!!!

Paganism

[skibadee]

jesus,

why did i even listen.. this album is garbage. 75% of $13 back is what?

and jel had nothing to do with this album, Subtle is a band of people consisting of people who work at Amoeba in the bay area.. yay wee fun

[cycledelikwon]

and jel had nothing to do with this album

:rolleyes:

dude really knows his shit

get a clue

[mf sw]

jesus,

why did i even listen.. this album is garbage. 75% of $13 back is what?

and jel had nothing to do with this album, Subtle is a band of people consisting of people who work at Amoeba in the bay area.. yay wee fun

Jel's actually part of the band. I'm not crazy about it either. But i dont dislike them i guess.

[Cuba Gorilla]

Jel's actually part of the band. I'm not crazy about it either. But i dont dislike them i guess.

You're such a free lovin' kind of guy.

[mf sw]

You're such a free lovin' kind of guy.

fuckin a brother.

[skibadee]

and jel had nothing to do with this album

:rolleyes:

dude really knows his shit

get a clue

Oh, my mistake...

the album is still garbage... and please, nothing concerning anticon is "knowing their shit." HA

[D.F.A.]

damn I totaly agree with you guys, everyone is always hating on Anticon I mean peep these videos and you tell me if their shit isn't Hiphop or insanely dope.

why? - "rubber traits" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kbDqN0qYbk4)

and

themselves "you devil you" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DxSmkbZ_WdU)

[prylwd]

damn I totaly agree with you guys, everyone is always hating on Anticon I mean peep these videos and you tell me if their shit isn't Hiphop or insanely dope.

why? - "rubber traits" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kbDqN0qYbk4)

and

themselves "you devil you" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DxSmkbZ_WdU)

Don't expect anyone on this forum to like anything that could be considered "backpack" hip hop. Regardless of whether its good music or not they will hate on it just because it is "nerd rap" and they only listen to mainstream sounding hip hop that is not quite mainstream.

[skibadee]

I'm just talking shit.

I don't dislike Anticon, it's just not really my thing...

I've boughten a handful of their releases but have always gotten rid of them... i think i always just expect something different. it's definitely not hip hop (to me at least), more experimental. I'd never say it's bad music, i'd just have to be in the right mood to listen to it and always think i would be willing to give it a shot then do and am disappointed

[Fullmetal]

damn I totaly agree with you guys, everyone is always hating on Anticon I mean peep these videos and you tell me if their shit isn't Hiphop or insanely dope.

why? - "rubber traits" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kbDqN0qYbk4)

and

themselves "you devil you" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DxSmkbZ_WdU)

Ayo, BC, thanks man. That shit was DOPE. Almost kinda Hippie-ish, but yo, he was kinda sorta spittin. "I...dont want to... when I could have gone longer..." Now it's in my head. IM gonna check this guy/or group out a.s.a.p

Once again, props for posting.

Oh yeah.. I can't even classify this as "backpack" or "nerd rap"... this is more like Alternative Hip-Hop, and I like it. Sure, theres no kilos, and noone is stylin on anyone, and nobody has a Mac.. but still, it's hot.

[Cuba Gorilla]

Don't expect anyone on this forum to like anything that could be considered "backpack" hip hop. Regardless of whether its good music or not they will hate on it just because it is "nerd rap" and they only listen to mainstream sounding hip hop that is not quite mainstream.

Dude... watch those videos. That shit is not even remotely close to be classified as anything "hip hop" related. I mean, fucking A, watch that Why video... it was incredibly bad.

[prylwd]

Dude... watch those videos. That shit is not even remotely close to be classified as anything "hip hop" related. I mean, fucking A, watch that Why video... it was incredibly bad.

I didn't watch the video, but then again I am not really a fan of why? to begin with. But I do like some people in anticon like sole, dose one, jel.

[cycledelikwon]

Jel's got some of the funkiest beats going
if you can't get into the beats
and you don't think they are hip hop
then i really don't know what to tell ya

Plus these guys are doing some serious instrumentation
funky and jazzed up as fuck
alot of people can't handle dose
but he can cadence as good as any of'em
and his words are sick and poetic

The anticon peep's don't always rhyme
but if you can call an instrumental album hip hop
then the beats alone can usual decide the genre
than there is no doubt
that this album is hip hop

[D.F.A.]

Ayo, BC, thanks man. That shit was DOPE. Almost kinda Hippie-ish, but yo, he was kinda sorta spittin. "I...dont want to... when I could have gone longer..." Now it's in my head. IM gonna check this guy/or group out a.s.a.p

Once again, props for posting.

Oh yeah.. I can't even classify this as "backpack" or "nerd rap"... this is more like Alternative Hip-Hop, and I like it. Sure, theres no kilos, and noone is stylin on anyone, and nobody has a Mac.. but still, it's hot.

Fuck man, you are gulible.

[prylwd]

Fuck man, you are gulible.
Me or Fullmetal?

[Fullmetal]

Fuck man, you are gulible.

Aw, don't tell me Im the only one that likes it? Lame. Oh well. Whether you meant to or not, I still got some new music out the deal

Super stylin on ya'll.

[WesSezSo]

I've been a fan of Anticon for a long time. Dose and Jel's affiliation with the label shouldn't turn a Subtle thread into a discussion about Anticon though. Subtle is on LEX and has been since the beginning. Its not like people still consider Sage Francis as Anticon just because he had one album out on the label. Sure...Anticon fans go looking for Anticon artists on other labels like Mush...but that doesn't make it an "Anticon" release. Anticon...is now more than just the avant garde hip hop label that they had set out to be...its indy rock, experimental, electronica...its the king of sub-genres. Why? is considered Folk-rap-indie-rock. And now its like...you either love it...really love...or fucking hate it. I don't think there are many in-between fans.
Sole is probably the only one who is considered to be still putting out hip hop. Jel and Odd Nosdams solo instrumental albums...are still hip hop. But side projects (or now full-time groups) like Subtle, 13 and God, and Themselves are all very much influenced by but not 100% hip hop. Its Prog-hop.
I can't even call Dosh instrumental hip hop now...its a lot more complicated than that.
Alias...how can you exclude Alias? The Other Side of the Looking Glass is an amazing album...after that though...he had said he was always more interested in producing...and has only released instrumental albums ever since...and that was 2002. Alias and Tarsier...its a beautiful collaboration...his production, her voice and instrumentation (guitar mostly), you can't sit there and say..."oh thats that anticon shit". Anticon doesn't have a "sound" anymore. Alias and Tarsier sound like early Bjork...or like Broadcast. And that kind of music is considered electronica-pop-indie. Basically what I'm trying to say is that people should no longer consider Anticon a hip hop collective anymore. Anticon is not a group...its a label that signs and puts out raw and new music by undiscovered and extremely talented musicians.
Because I stuck with it for so many years...it was easier for me (an underground head for life) to open up and turn into a straight up music lover. Those seeking hip hop will be disappointed...but if its something new and fresh and unlike anything out there...then you just might find something you love.

[D.F.A.]

Me or Fullmetal?

Fullmetal the herb, but if you like anticon yes you're a herb too.

[Fullmetal]

Fullmetal the herb, but if you like anticon yes you're a herb too.

Lol, whatever. I bet he if dude was talking about crack, or bustin his guns, he'd be you guys' favorite. Its hot for what it is.

By the way..you cats have the gayest insults.

'Fuck is a herb?.. (I know what it means) You callin me a bush, nigga? Shrub? Foliage? If you DON'T like Anticon, you're trying a little too hard to BE hard, and are foliage yourselves, herbs.

Herbal tea ass niggas.

[mf sw]

I've been a fan of Anticon for a long time. Dose and Jel's affiliation with the label shouldn't turn a Subtle thread into a discussion about Anticon though. Subtle is on LEX and has been since the beginning. Its not like people still consider Sage Francis as Anticon just because he had one album out on the label. Sure...Anticon fans go looking for Anticon artists on other labels like Mush...but that doesn't make it an "Anticon" release. Anticon...is now more than just the avant garde hip hop label that they had set out to be...its indy rock, experimental, electronica...its the king of sub-genres. Why? is considered Folk-rap-indie-rock. And now its like...you either love it...really love...or fucking hate it. I don't think there are many in-between fans.
Sole is probably the only one who is considered to be still putting out hip hop. Jel and Odd Nosdams solo instrumental albums...are still hip hop. But side projects (or now full-time groups) like Subtle, 13 and God, and Themselves are all very much influenced by but not 100% hip hop. Its Prog-hop.
I can't even call Dosh instrumental hip hop now...its a lot more complicated than that.
Alias...how can you exclude Alias? The Other Side of the Looking Glass is an amazing album...after that though...he had said he was always more interested in producing...and has only released instrumental albums ever since...and that was 2002. Alias and Tarsier...its a beautiful collaboration...his production, her voice and instrumentation (guitar mostly), you can't sit there and say..."oh thats that anticon shit". Anticon doesn't have a "sound" anymore. Alias and Tarsier sound like early Bjork...or like Broadcast. And that kind of music is considered electronica-pop-indie. Basically what I'm trying to say is that people should no longer consider Anticon a hip hop collective anymore. Anticon is not a group...its a label that signs and puts out raw and new music by undiscovered and extremely talented musicians.
Because I stuck with it for so many years...it was easier for me (an underground head for life) to open up and turn into a straight up music lover. Those seeking hip hop will be disappointed...but if its something new and fresh and unlike anything out there...then you just might find something you love.

I still consider myself a fan of some of their stuff. mainly the old stuff. Sole's solo albums are consistently dope. Jel is one of the top 10 or so active producers in my opinion.

I used to go to Anticon night at Rico's loft when that was happening. Some of the better shows I went to around that time (with the guest appearances etc).

[Fullmetal]

I still consider myself a fan of some of their stuff. mainly the old stuff. Sole's solo albums are consistently dope. Jel is one of the top 10 or so active producers in my opinion.

I used to go to Anticon night at Rico's loft when that was happening. Some of the better shows I went to around that time (with the guest appearances etc).

They might have a new fan in me, Mf, Gimme some album titles, etc, please?

[mf sw]

They might have a new fan in me, Mf, Gimme some album titles, etc, please?

I was more into them like 8 years ago so I only really know their old stuff.

Check out:

Deep Puddle Dynamics - "A tate of rain.... " (or whatever the title is)
Them - self titled
Sole - "Selling Live Water" and "Bottle of Humans"

If you can find the "Blood and Gutz" stuff youre a lucky lucky man.

Anything by Alias is gonna have really good production but he raps like total and complete shit in my opinion.

And get any of Jel's instrumental albums.

And Clouddead is pretty good.

These guys arent really affiliated with Anticon anymore but:

Anything by Buck 65 is dope. And Sixtoo is a really really dope producer. He has some instrumental stuff out there.

[Cuba Gorilla]

I like any sort of music were the subject matter is drugs, violence, and the dedragation of females. Come on guys, that's just the quality shit.

[D.F.A.]

Lol, whatever. I bet he if dude was talking about crack, or bustin his guns, he'd be you guys' favorite. Its hot for what it is.

By the way..you cats have the gayest insults.

'Fuck is a herb?.. (I know what it means) You callin me a bush, nigga? Shrub? Foliage? If you DON'T like Anticon, you're trying a little too hard to BE hard, and are foliage yourselves, herbs.

Herbal tea ass niggas.

I listen to all types of shit inside and outside the genre of Hiphop, I'm just not a fan of artsy indie tightpant wearing nerd hiphop but some nerd shit is good. A herb is someone whos a complete fool you should know it you're from New Jersey.

[Fullmetal]

I listen to all types of shit inside and outside the genre of Hiphop, I'm just not a fan of artsy indie tightpant wearing nerd hiphop but some nerd shit is good. A herb is someone whos a complete fool you should know it you're from New Jersey.

< Was being sarcastic, ya Herb ass Cali nigga.

[D.F.A.]

< Was being sarcastic, ya Herb ass Cali nigga.

I'm White and from Canada and I don't like Celine Dion.

[Fullmetal]

I'm White and from Canada and I don't like Celine Dion.

You win.