Christian Hip Hop

[Mad Squirrel]

So what's new in the world of Christian hip hop? When is MG the Visionary's new album set to drop?

[cdirty]

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[Destroy]

So what's new in the world of Christian hip hop? When is MG the Visionary's new album set to drop?

do people actually listen to christian hip hop?

or is this a joke?

[WesSezSo]

Don't 4get about Sackloth Fashion yo!:rolleyes: I picked it up a few years back and didn't realize it was Christian rap.

[manutebol]

christian hiphop is a joke...... as are most things christian.....

[_Unknown*]

not all Christian hip hop is bad.... that KJ52 shit is garbage.... but LMNO's 'Leave My Name Out' album was off the chain. Mars Ill and LA Symph had a few dope cuts. Alot of Grouch, Zion I, Visionaries, and Pigeon John's music can be considered Christian... or spiritual, at least.

I'm in complete disagreement with destroy and manute.

[manutebol]

i had that lmno album, but i sold it.... they're were a coupla good tracks on there.....

god talk and shitty hooks are my biggest problems with backpack rap.....

[Mad Squirrel]

Yeah. i like some of it. I don't agree with everything they say, and a lot of it is on the edge of being CORNY or just straight CORNY -- but there are some talented Christian hip hoppers out there.

Has anyone heard that Furthermore album from ~2000? I think that's Mormon hip hop.

What about Manifest Destiny? are they considered Christian hip hop?

[Destroy]

not all Christian hip hop is bad.... that KJ52 shit is garbage.... but LMNO's 'Leave My Name Out' album was off the chain. Mars Ill and LA Symph had a few dope cuts. Alot of Grouch, Zion I, Visionaries, and Pigeon John's music can be considered Christian... or spiritual, at least.

I'm in complete disagreement with destroy and manute.

Grouch and Zion I cannot be considered Christian by any means...spiritual yes, but spiritual and Christian aren't even nearly the same thing. LMNO and the Visionaries suffer from all that Christian talk on there albums.

the reason why I feel Pigeon John is successful at this is he balances the right line by not speaking about his faith on EVERY fucking track(see LMNO), while still speaking about God and such.

so, imo, Christian rap is pretty goddamm corny. I don't mean to try to dismiss a whole subgenre of music, but in this case its true.

[_Unknown*]

Grouch and Zion I cannot be considered Christian by any means...spiritual yes, but spiritual and Christian aren't even nearly the same thing.

"Dear LORD, you've shown me the best of times, shown be the worst of times...." - Zion

"Grateful God stuck me with some talent" - Grouch

"God, He lives within, and all of this He's heard." - Grouch

So even though MANY of their verses speak about or mention "God", that doesnt give their music Christian content?

[AtomILL]

marsill is real dope. also check out Shai Linne, hes dope

[eons]

zion is muslim.....read the inside of his cd covers if you buy them,amp live is christian and grouch sounds more pagan than anything.
some people use the word god to describe the creator which is used in most religions not just christianity.....:confused:

[mrridley]

LMNO is really a christian rapper? I never felt any of that guys music...

[_Unknown*]

LMNO is really a christian rapper?

Leave My Name Out was, without a doubt, a full blown Christian hip hop LP.

On LMNO's next album, he talked about 'Jah' in half his songs, like he was on some rastafarian shit. Now, he's on some other shit. I dont even know what his beliefs are anymore.

[_Unknown*]

grouch sounds more pagan than anything.

Grouch sounds to me like he was raised Christian, but events in his life led him to lose faith in God and lean towards a more spiritual or 'search within yourself' type of attitude.

[verbal kint]

zion is muslim
word

just because somebody mentions god in their lyrics doesnt make them a christian rapper. if so, i think we'd have to put fifty cent, snoop dogg, the game, and a bunch of other folks in the christian rap category too.

[TopherEightyFive]

lightheaded (ohmega watts, othello, braille)
deepspace5/marsill
tunnel rats
future shock

just to name a few. wake up

[Destroy]

word

just because somebody mentions god in their lyrics doesnt make them a christian rapper. if so, i think we'd have to put fifty cent, snoop dogg, the game, and a bunch of other folks in the christian rap category too.

co-mothafuckin-sign.

[_Unknown*]

just because somebody mentions god in their lyrics doesnt make them a christian rapper. if so, i think we'd have to put fifty cent, snoop dogg, the game, and a bunch of other folks in the christian rap category too.

point taken. but youre kinda pushin it by naming game and them. Game and 50 cent are far from "positive" mc's. Zion I and the ones I named have far more positivity and religious content in their music to make them borderline 'religious/spritual' hip hop.

[Destroy]

Have you really ever heard anyone refer to the grouch or even zion i as "spiritual/religious" hip hop. concscious, sure...but come on...you are stretching it with all the christian rapper talk when they have a line or two about God.

[aueu]

this might be the most unnecesarry argument/discussion ever.

[dooz]

our money has the word god written on it. while the effective application of "seperation of church and state" is spotty at best, the word "god" doesnt necessarily mean christianity.

i think its a beautiful example of how poor the seperation truly is

i dont hate christian hiphop. as an atheist, its hard to get down with christian (and any religious music) hiphop simply because i'm not all about hearing LMNO talk about god all the damn time. it is not at all driven by the fact that religious rappers are pussies :p

pigeon john is dating your sister has some good tracks.

[Nasty]

christian hiphop is a joke...... as are most things christian.....

Christianity is a joke. Religion is a joke.

[cdirty]

Christianity is a joke. Religion is a joke.

jermey is correct here.

[luke_warm]

"Dear LORD, you've shown me the best of times, shown be the worst of times...." - Zion

"Grateful God stuck me with some talent" - Grouch

"God, He lives within, and all of this He's heard." - Grouch

So even though MANY of their verses speak about or mention "God", that doesnt give their music Christian content?

how skewed; as if christians had a monopoly on god.

[_Unknown*]

how skewed; as if christians had a monopoly on god.

what other religions refer to the Creator as "God"?

And Catholicism is a sub-group of Christianity

[John Johnson]

Don't forget Slug's biblical hymns album called "God Loves Ugly"

[LBFam]

what other religions refer to the Creator as "God"?

And Catholicism is a sub-group of Christianity


You're a bigger moron than I thought..

Although you cannot "define" God..The loose definition would be: (noun) a person or thing of supreme value/being..


Just for the record..

Allah = God
Jehovah/Yahweh = God
Jah = God
And so on..

[_Unknown*]

Although you cannot "define" God..The loose definition would be: (noun) a person or thing of supreme value/being..


Just for the record..

Allah = God
Jehovah/Yahweh = God
Jah = God
And so on..

no shit. dont u think i know that?? Thats why I asked what other religions refer to the creator as "God"..... moron.... and im not talkin about "a god" like your definition states... I'm talking about the one known as "God". So like I was saying, What other religions refer to their 'savior' as "God", not allah or jah, etc? If grouch or zion or whoever weren't speaking from a Christian point of view, why wouldnt they just say jah or allah or whatever?

[verbal kint]

no shit. dont u think i know that?? Thats why I asked what other religions refer to the creator as "God"..... moron.... and im not talkin about "a god" like your definition states... I'm talking about the one known as "God". So like I was saying, What other religions refer to their 'savior' as "God", not allah or jah, etc? If grouch or zion or whoever weren't speaking from a Christian point of view, why wouldnt they just say jah or allah or whatever?
i know folks who think christianity is false but believe that god or a god exists. and i've also talked to muslim homies who will sometimes refer to allah as god.

"Allahu Akbar" is translated into English as "God is great." i've heard folks speak the english version of this prayer.

[dooz]

just for the record, its allah hua ackbar. god is the english word for it. Do you think Italian/Arab/whoever says "god" in thier respective language when referring to the same god that you call god?

edit: let me clarify that. Italian catholics, for example, do not call the Christian god, "god". Nor do Coptic Christians.

[LBFam]

no shit. dont u think i know that?? Thats why I asked what other religions refer to the creator as "God"..... moron.... and im not talkin about "a god" like your definition states... I'm talking about the one known as "God". So like I was saying, What other religions refer to their 'savior' as "God", not allah or jah, etc? If grouch or zion or whoever weren't speaking from a Christian point of view, why wouldnt they just say jah or allah or whatever?


That's because they speak english..Dipshit..

Like verbal said..Many american muslims use the word God when referring to their, get this, God..

Have you not heard cats use the phrase "peace God"?..Sure they can say "peace Allah", but they speak english..


And as for Zion (of Zion I)..I always thought I heard him refer to Jah..And just from the name I always thought that he was rasta..



**Waits for Cherry to chime in and call me an asshole..**

[soysauce]

back in the day, zion i was way more reggae-ish.

[Nasty]

back in the day, zion i was way more reggae-ish.

Back in the day? You mean like 6 years ago?

[Ca2woAz]

"Dear LORD, you've shown me the best of times, shown be the worst of times...." - Zion

"Grateful God stuck me with some talent" - Grouch

"God, He lives within, and all of this He's heard." - Grouch

So even though MANY of their verses speak about or mention "God", that doesnt give their music Christian content?

almost every religion has a god. God is a universal word, not just for christians
(i dont really like religion... its all ficticious to me)

[Wired]

Grouch and Zion and them aren't "Christian hip hop." At least I don't think they'd indentify as that. It's a pretty loose definition but that's a huge stretch.

Pigeon John, LA Symphony, KL52 or whatever...all Christian rap. I can't think of much else though, probably because Christian rap sucks.

[Ojay]

That's because they speak english..Dipshit..



oh shit.. that's the 1st time something posted on this forum has made me l.o.l. in a long while.. thanks.

as for the rest of you geniuses, zion is a rasta, amp is a christian (possibly even catholic as it looks like he's praying the rosary on that album cover), and the grouch is just the grouch... i didn't know only christians could talk spiritually... i always thought rastafarianism had more to do with christianity than islam... i always thought zion i was less reggaeish, more ragga drum & bassish a la ali g's booyakasha-isms.. back in the days, that is. i don't listen to visionaries so i dunno.. pigeon john shit that i've heard doesn't talk about jesus christ as his lord and saviour at all, so i don't understand why he is considered christian hiphop... i mean... reverend run is achristian minister... does that make run dmc christian hip hop? wtf? sure "down with the king" is pretty born again sounding or whatever, but cl smooth is on that cut and i'm pretty sure he's a muslim.. with all that mecca and the soulbrother talk and whatnot... but hey.. maybe he considers allah to be his king... or maybe he considers run dmc to be the kings... just like they consider jesus to be the king.. just like jesus considered god to be the king.. etc etc etc... what's the point? i dunno.. but i do not think christianity nor religion is a joke.. i used to... i think there's a lot of bullshit there.. but there's a lot of bullshit in life... religion is a part of life and christianity is a big part of the world we all live in... if all religion is a bullshit joke, then all culture, all tradition, and everything that made you and everything around you is a joke... even the so called love you feel for your families is a joke... in essence LIFE IS A BIG FUCKING JOKE.... uh duhhhh... fucking deal with it bitche's.. goodnight, and godbless. :D

[aueu]

i dunno.. but i do not think christianity nor religion is a joke.. i used to... i think there's a lot of bullshit there.. but there's a lot of bullshit in life... religion is a part of life and christianity is a big part of the world we all live in... if all religion is a bullshit joke, then all culture, all tradition, and everything that made you and everything around you is a joke... even the so called love you feel for your families is a joke... in essence LIFE IS A BIG FUCKING JOKE....

just curious, but what makes you think that my life, or my love for a family member for that matter, is a joke without religion? i can love my brother just as much as the next man can love his brother and i still know that the only time i have with him is right here on this earth. if anything, that only makes me love him more. i just dont really see your train of thought here.

[Ojay]

just curious, but what makes you think that my life, or my love for a family member for that matter, is a joke without religion? i can love my brother just as much as the next man can love his brother and i still know that the only time i have with him is right here on this earth. if anything, that only makes me love him more. i just dont really see your train of thought here.

i didn't say your love for family is a joke without religion. i said if one believes christianity/religion is a joke.. then they believe time-tested cultural traditions are a joke.. because that's what christianity and religion are... time-tested cultural traditions/institutions... just like any other demographic label or social grouping one might identify with and hold close to their hearts... such as nationality, ethnicity, etc... family being a very basic and universal component of this... something, not all, but most of us can identify with... religions, though flawed and manipulative, are to be respected... just as a person's relationship with his or her family, though dysfunctional and sentimental, should be respected... just as an individual's personal faith, though blind, should be... that's my train of thought right there.

[aueu]

i didn't say your love for family is a joke without religion. i said if one believes christianity/religion is a joke.. then they believe time-tested cultural traditions are a joke.. because that's what christianity and religion are... time-tested cultural traditions/institutions... just like any other demographic label or social grouping one might identify with and hold close to their hearts... such as nationality, ethnicity, etc... family being a very basic and universal component of this... something, not all, but most of us can identify with... religions, though flawed and manipulative, are to be respected... just as a person's relationship with his or her family, though dysfunctional and sentimental, should be respected... just as an individual's personal faith, though blind, should be... that's my train of thought right there.


ok, thanks. i understand a little bit better. but i still dont see the connection.


"if one believes christianity/religion is a joke"
ok, so i think religion is (for the most part - in fact, i dont want to say this but for arguments sake i will) a joke,


"then they believe time-tested cultural traditions are a joke"
well, not exactly. cultural traditions are not the same thing to me as religious traditions. now those, to me, yeah; a joke. all the huss and fuss about spreading your religion to those poor, unfortunate souls who are going to rot in hell because they have not been baptized (i know this doesnt apply to all religions, of course), is a joke. or the tradition that sunday needs to be kept a holy day, or that my son needs to go on a mission when he becomes 18, or that there is a chance at an everliving life - is a joke.

now, i respect them all. people do things they think are right. but i still think that what they do is a joke. and of course i respect all cultural traditions as well.

"because that's what christianity and religion are... time-tested cultural traditions/institutions... just like any other demographic label or social grouping one might identify with and hold close to their hearts... such as nationality, ethnicity, etc... family being a very basic and universal component of this... "

heres where you lose me again. sorry for not understanding, but how does this effect family? i think religion is a joke. and the examples i gave you - traditions more or less - i think they are jokes too. but does my family identify with these traditions? lets say they do.....each and every person. well, hmmm, wait for it.... yup. i can still love my brother anyways. strangely enough he can still love me too. and it has nothing to do with my religious beliefs, or any sort of cultural traditions. i just dont see how the "so called love you feel for your families" can be considered a joke. once again i apologize for not understanding

"religions, though flawed and manipulative, are to be respected... just as a person's relationship with his or her family, though dysfunctional and sentimental, should be respected... just as an individual's personal faith, though blind, should be... "
i couldnt agree more


havent had a meaningful chat like this on here for a bit, if ever

[Mad Squirrel]

havent had a meaningful chat like this on here for a bit, if ever

and I just wanted to know what new Christian Hip Hop albums were hot.
So has anyone heard that new MG the Visionary?

[cycledelikwon]

Smoke of Oldominion has one that just came out called BLEED.
Somewhat christian, but i'm an athiest and really really dig it.
The entire album is very solid.

[Tek3030]

Check out the SandPeople crew. They are nuts

SandPeople
Debaser
Sapient
Simple
Al-One
Only-One
Mo-B
Redshield
Ethics

They are all dope.

Debaser which is sapeint and ethics have a track with psc and it's freakin gnarly.

I don't know why these guys are considered christian hiphop because they seem the oposite to me. Probably just started on the internet from somone that didn't like em. I think I heard the word God once in all there cd's put together.

Check the track sugar and spice by debaser. It is one of the funniest songs I have ever heard.

[DJ ADA]

I like Future Shock's "Art of Xenos". Nobody can front on "Diego Days". Nice guys too, they always came through to The Cypher. There is a bunch of wack Hiphop out there, a lot of it is religious oriented, and the majority of wack rap is secular.

there's always good and bad out there, but it's all speculative and objective to the ear of the listener. It's all about search and discovery, the forgotten element of Hiphop, so says Bobbito the Barber.

Moon People

[access]

Braille - Box of Rhymes (http://www.accesshiphop.com/store/?itemid=12571)

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[John Johnson]

John Ruben seemed to be the best they could come up with when we raided that christian music site.

[DJ ADA]

I can't take john ruben seriously. RUBEN... even the name is funny.