BDPFan
12-28-2004, 09:17 AM
You can be as good as, but not better than:
(* - for producing and classic song writing skills)
(+ - till he/she lost 'IT'. 'IT' is extraordinary soul on wax. They may still have extraordinary rap skills, but they don't have the production/beat selection skill they once had.)
AG
Akbar
Akinyele
Apathy
Apache
A Tribe Called Quest (+)
AZ
Bahamadia
Beatnuts (*)
Big Daddy Kane (+)
Big L
Big Pun
Biggie Smalls (1/3 of the time, only when he wasn't letting Puffy ruin his recording legacy with bubble-gum pop music)
Biz Markie
B-Real (till after Temples of Boom)
Black Thought
Bootcamp-Black Moon
Brand Nubian (+)
Brother J
Busy Bee (+)
Celph-Titled (great MC)
Capital D
Chubb Rock
Chuck D
CL Smooth
Cold 187um (from the Above The Law early days)
Cormega
Count Bass D (*)
Cowboy-RIP
Craig G (+)
Dana Dane (+)
Das Efx (+till after their second album)
Dres of the Black Sheep (+)
Def Jef
Del get Ice Cube's spot after he lost it
De La Soul (+till the AOI albums, they still have 'IT' on the mic though)
Devin
Diamond D (*)
Digable Planets
DOC
Double K(*)
Dr. Dre (*, till after the first Chronic days, now he can't stop biting his own sound)
Dr.oop
Eazy E (when Dre produced him)
Edan (*)
Ed OG
Eminem (+in his WakeUp days, before he met Dre)
EPMD (+till they broke up)
EST
Fat Boys (+early 80's era, till 1985)
Fat Joe (+before he lost 'IT' and started making bubble-gum pop-rap)
Fatlip (+till he lost 'IT', although he still can have 'IT' when he wants...)
Freestyle Fellowship (1990-1995 reigned supreme in LA)
Fresh Prince (+when he was fresh...)
Funkdoobiest
Grandmaster Caz
Geto Boys, Scarface (+till after his classic first LP)
Ghostface
Godfather Don
Guru (only suckers front on him)
GZA
Ice Cube (+till right after Death Certificate)
Ice T (+)
Insight (*)
Jay Z (+till he went into the studio to record reasonable doubt)
Jeru
Keith Murray (+needs great puppet-master, oops damn sorry, I mean producer)
Key Kool
King Tee (+till IV)
Kool G Rap (needs new beats quick before he gets a +)
Kool Keith (+Ultramagnetic, and when he wants 'IT')
Kool Moe Dee
KRS-One (+till I Got Next)
Lakim Shabazz
Large Professor (*)
Lil Sci aka MC John Robinson
LL Cool J (+Till Momma Said Knock You Out)
Lord Finesse
Louis Logic
Madlib (*)
Masta Ace
MC Eight (+CMW days)
MC Lyte (+till after Act Like You Know)
MC Ren (when he has 'IT')
MC Shan
Melle Mel (can still sling rhymes with the best)
MF Doom
Mighty Casey (Saturday Night, Liquorland I&II, Mighty, One Night Stand, all qualify this MC... must remain consistant to retain his spot... I believe in this dude...)
Milk D
Mobb Deep (+till Animal Instinct on Hell On Earth)
MOP
Mr. Lif
Nasty Nas (+till after he recorded Illmatic)
Necro (*)
Nice and Smooth
OC
Ol Dirty Bastard-RIP (till his second album, and when he tried)
Organized Konfusion(+till Monche went solo)
Outkast (+till right after their first LP)
Pep Love (when he has 'IT', inconsistant-beat/producer selection)
Percee P
Pete Rock (*)
Pharcyde (+till they lost 'IT')
Promoe
Queen Latifah (+till after she lost 'IT'...)
Rakim (needs new beats fast...)
Run DMC (+both of them. The young Run is one of my all-time favorites)
Redman (+till after Muddy Waters)
Roxanne Shante
RZA (when he wants 'IT')
Schooly D
Shock G and Digital Underground
Showbiz (*)
Slick Rick
Special Ed (when he wants 'IT')
Spoonie Gee
Substantial
Supernat (strictly for live rhyming-performing ability, damn shame his records aren't on the level...)
Thes-One (*-except on stage, needs to work on staying calm on the outside to be able to look as 'cool' as he sounds on record)
TDK (+1986-Texas Def Kid-RIP)
Threat (+)
Tim Dog
Too Short
Tragedy-Intelligent Hoodlum
Treach (+)
2Pac (+only when he picked Hiphop music to rhyme on, only about 1/8 of the time)
Vinnie Paz aka Icon The Halogram
Whipper Whip
Whodini (Ecstasy and The Rapper Jalil)
Wise Intelligent
Yo-Yo (+)
YZ (+)
"Some peoples opinions are a lot less of an 'opinion' than others... Fact."
To be continued, as it evolves... This is off the top right now, not from any referrence to anything but my casual memory... But the amount of classic records and/or albums is a heavy qualification.
Please feel free to tell me anybody I ignorantly ommitted....
I want to say, I am sorry if anybody finds me offensive and takes anything I write on any message board as disrespect... I do not intend disrespect to ANYBODY, love everybody, and am only trying to help the artists and records that never get the respect they deserve, get what they deserve...
(* - for producing and classic song writing skills)
(+ - till he/she lost 'IT'. 'IT' is extraordinary soul on wax. They may still have extraordinary rap skills, but they don't have the production/beat selection skill they once had.)
AG
Akbar
Akinyele
Apathy
Apache
A Tribe Called Quest (+)
AZ
Bahamadia
Beatnuts (*)
Big Daddy Kane (+)
Big L
Big Pun
Biggie Smalls (1/3 of the time, only when he wasn't letting Puffy ruin his recording legacy with bubble-gum pop music)
Biz Markie
B-Real (till after Temples of Boom)
Black Thought
Bootcamp-Black Moon
Brand Nubian (+)
Brother J
Busy Bee (+)
Celph-Titled (great MC)
Capital D
Chubb Rock
Chuck D
CL Smooth
Cold 187um (from the Above The Law early days)
Cormega
Count Bass D (*)
Cowboy-RIP
Craig G (+)
Dana Dane (+)
Das Efx (+till after their second album)
Dres of the Black Sheep (+)
Def Jef
Del get Ice Cube's spot after he lost it
De La Soul (+till the AOI albums, they still have 'IT' on the mic though)
Devin
Diamond D (*)
Digable Planets
DOC
Double K(*)
Dr. Dre (*, till after the first Chronic days, now he can't stop biting his own sound)
Dr.oop
Eazy E (when Dre produced him)
Edan (*)
Ed OG
Eminem (+in his WakeUp days, before he met Dre)
EPMD (+till they broke up)
EST
Fat Boys (+early 80's era, till 1985)
Fat Joe (+before he lost 'IT' and started making bubble-gum pop-rap)
Fatlip (+till he lost 'IT', although he still can have 'IT' when he wants...)
Freestyle Fellowship (1990-1995 reigned supreme in LA)
Fresh Prince (+when he was fresh...)
Funkdoobiest
Grandmaster Caz
Geto Boys, Scarface (+till after his classic first LP)
Ghostface
Godfather Don
Guru (only suckers front on him)
GZA
Ice Cube (+till right after Death Certificate)
Ice T (+)
Insight (*)
Jay Z (+till he went into the studio to record reasonable doubt)
Jeru
Keith Murray (+needs great puppet-master, oops damn sorry, I mean producer)
Key Kool
King Tee (+till IV)
Kool G Rap (needs new beats quick before he gets a +)
Kool Keith (+Ultramagnetic, and when he wants 'IT')
Kool Moe Dee
KRS-One (+till I Got Next)
Lakim Shabazz
Large Professor (*)
Lil Sci aka MC John Robinson
LL Cool J (+Till Momma Said Knock You Out)
Lord Finesse
Louis Logic
Madlib (*)
Masta Ace
MC Eight (+CMW days)
MC Lyte (+till after Act Like You Know)
MC Ren (when he has 'IT')
MC Shan
Melle Mel (can still sling rhymes with the best)
MF Doom
Mighty Casey (Saturday Night, Liquorland I&II, Mighty, One Night Stand, all qualify this MC... must remain consistant to retain his spot... I believe in this dude...)
Milk D
Mobb Deep (+till Animal Instinct on Hell On Earth)
MOP
Mr. Lif
Nasty Nas (+till after he recorded Illmatic)
Necro (*)
Nice and Smooth
OC
Ol Dirty Bastard-RIP (till his second album, and when he tried)
Organized Konfusion(+till Monche went solo)
Outkast (+till right after their first LP)
Pep Love (when he has 'IT', inconsistant-beat/producer selection)
Percee P
Pete Rock (*)
Pharcyde (+till they lost 'IT')
Promoe
Queen Latifah (+till after she lost 'IT'...)
Rakim (needs new beats fast...)
Run DMC (+both of them. The young Run is one of my all-time favorites)
Redman (+till after Muddy Waters)
Roxanne Shante
RZA (when he wants 'IT')
Schooly D
Shock G and Digital Underground
Showbiz (*)
Slick Rick
Special Ed (when he wants 'IT')
Spoonie Gee
Substantial
Supernat (strictly for live rhyming-performing ability, damn shame his records aren't on the level...)
Thes-One (*-except on stage, needs to work on staying calm on the outside to be able to look as 'cool' as he sounds on record)
TDK (+1986-Texas Def Kid-RIP)
Threat (+)
Tim Dog
Too Short
Tragedy-Intelligent Hoodlum
Treach (+)
2Pac (+only when he picked Hiphop music to rhyme on, only about 1/8 of the time)
Vinnie Paz aka Icon The Halogram
Whipper Whip
Whodini (Ecstasy and The Rapper Jalil)
Wise Intelligent
Yo-Yo (+)
YZ (+)
"Some peoples opinions are a lot less of an 'opinion' than others... Fact."
To be continued, as it evolves... This is off the top right now, not from any referrence to anything but my casual memory... But the amount of classic records and/or albums is a heavy qualification.
Please feel free to tell me anybody I ignorantly ommitted....
I want to say, I am sorry if anybody finds me offensive and takes anything I write on any message board as disrespect... I do not intend disrespect to ANYBODY, love everybody, and am only trying to help the artists and records that never get the respect they deserve, get what they deserve...